Qantas should consider adding more international flights to melbourne and Brisbane instead of feeding everyone though Sydney
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Will
Will
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Qantas should consider adding more international flights to melbourne and Brisbane instead of feeding everyone though Sydney
driley28
driley28
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Yes, agree but they will not, as Sydney is the centre of the universe!!
johnaboxall
johnaboxall
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They added many more flights, on Emirates. :)
Waynec
Waynec
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They may well do that when they get the 787s. Doubt they have many spare planes at the moment to add more international flights. Would be great if Emirates flies the A380 from SIN to both BNE and MEL thou. This will enhance the QF/EF offering to SIN.
PLATY
PLATY
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Perhaps they will, but they won't be QF , they'll be JQ flights thanks to the their new 787s!
MartinS
MartinS
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Why should Qantas add more international capacity from Melbourne and Brisbane? How do you envisage that would be to the advantage of Qantas' shareholders?
Perhaps Melbourne and Brisbane airports and the Victoria and Queensland government should be campaigning harder for capacity limits to be removed from air services agreements for services to Melbourne and Brisbane (and Perth too).
Poisson
Poisson
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Qantas has pretty much abandoned Perth as an international gateway. Of the five international destinations ex PER on the Qantas timetable, only one (QF077 to SIN daily) is flown on QF metal. The others are SIN (3K, JQ), Bali (JQ), Jakarta (JQ), Dubai (EK) and Johannesburg (SA). I suppose you could argue that JQ is Qantas, but it's a pale imitation of the real thing.
There are 18 international airlines flying ex PER and Qantas is only getting a tiny bit of the market. Something's wrong.
MartinS
MartinS
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It has been difficult for airlines (particularly in coutries with a population as small as Australia) to operate intercontinental flights profitably from multiple home bases. Qantas can't even operate intercontinental flights profitably from Sydney.
The population of Melbourne/Victoria is about 6M. Similar to Manchester/NW England and Berlin/Brandenburg. How many intercontinental flights does BA operates from Manchester? How many intercontinental flights does Lufthansa operate from Berlin?
Waynec
Waynec
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Although I love to see many more QF flights. I have to agree with MartinS that QF faces a number of key challenges. Adding to that, QF has a high cost base due to high labour costs in Australia and a disadvantaged Geographical position. Australia is pretty much at the far end of the world which means that QF will need many more aircrafts (higher capital cost) to operate a route to Europe as compared to CX, SQ or even EK.
Don't forget that QF as a whole is not subsidized by the government and its route decisions have to be based on profitability.
Waynec
Waynec
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Although I love to see many more QF flights. I have to agree with MartinS that QF faces a number of key challenges. Adding to that, QF has a high cost base due to high labour costs in Australia and a disadvantaged Geographical position. Australia is pretty much at the far end of the world which means that QF will need many more aircrafts (higher capital cost) to operate a route to Europe as compared to CX, SQ or even EK.
Don't forget that QF as a whole is not subsidized by the government and its route decisions have to be based on profitability.
Will
Will
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Not every one flys to or from Sydney, melbourne is almost as big as Sydney but that can't be said for Brisbane which is not that big
MartinS
MartinS
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To where do you wish to fly, that you can't fly to directly from Melbourne? If another airline flys that route, you can fly with them. If no other airline currently thinks it could operate profitably on that route, what makes you think that Qantas (with its high cost base) could operate the route profitably?
Which routes from Melbourne do you believe are currently under served, and which might provide an opportunity for Qantas to operate profitably?
The travel market is not determined by the size of the city. How international are the businesses in the city? What proportion of the businesses are in those sectors that have a higher propensity for travel, and particularly for premium travel? What is the size of the inbound tourism market?
It is easier operationally for airlines to operate from Melbourne airport (less slot constrained, no curfew etc). Qantas chooses to fly predominantly from Sydney airport because that it were it believes it has the best opportunity to operate profitably. I'd like to see more international flights from Melbourne too, but Qantas isn't a government-owned and politically controlled airline that has to be seen to serve each state equally. It is a private sector commercial operation. So let's get specific, which new routes could Qantas operate profitably from Melbourne or Brisbane?