BA, QF and AA have in the past 12 - 18 months made changes to their FF programmes. The effects on elite status accrual for BAEC Gold, QFF Platinum and Aadvantage EXP members are as follows:
QFF discriminates against BA flights but not against AA flights. E.g.:
• No Discrimination - QF SYD/LAX 180 SC in Business; AA SYD/LAX 180 SC in Business
• No Discrimination - QF SYD/LAX 45 SC in Discount Economy; AA SYD/LAX 45 SC in Discount Economy
• Discrimination - QF SYD/SIN 120 SC in Business; BA SYD/SIN 60 SC in Business
• Discrimination - QF SYD/SIN 30 SC in Discount Economy; BA SYD/SIN 15 SC in Discount Economy
BAEC does not discriminate against either QF or AA flights. E.g.:
• BA JFK/LHR 140 TP in Business; AA JFK/LHR 140 TP in Business
• BA JFK/LHR 20 TP in Discount Economy; AA JFK/LHR X 20 in Discount Economy
• BA SYD/SIN 140 TP in Business; QF SYD/SIN 140 TP in Business
• BA SYD/SIN 20 TP in Discount Economy; QF SYD/SIN 20 TP in Discount Economy
From 2016 AA discriminate against both BA and QF. E.g.:
• AA JFK/LHR EQM factor 2 in Business; BA JFK/LHR EQM factor 1.5 in Business
• AA JFK/LHR EQM factor 1 in Discount Economy; BA JFK/LHR EQM factor 0.5 in Discount Economy
• AA SYD/LAX EQM factor 2 in Business; QF SYD/LAX EQM factor 1.5 in Business
• AA SYD/LAX EQM factor 1 in Discount Economy, QF SYD/LAX EQM factor 0.5 in Discount Economy
David and Chris, when you next interview a BA or AA executive could you please consider asking the following questions? I would love to understand their logic and reasoning.
Questions for AA Execs:
1. Does AA think it is tenable to discriminate against BA and QF flights for elite accrual purposes, given both partners have opted to protect accrual rates for AA coded flights?
2. Does AA plan to update the accrual tables for BA and QF coded flights to return the favour?
Questions for BA Execs:
1. Why are they not concerned about devaluing QF coded flights for elite accrual purposes, given that QF has chosen to discriminate against BA coded flights?
There are some anomolies with BA Exec club which in fairness you can use to your advantage. Mainly when flying domestically with AA booked via AA. As AA deem their domestic business class as 'First' along with a fare code of F or A you net 210 BA tier points for say MIA-LAX domestic business (or 'First') whereas flying AA (or BA) LHR-MIA will net you only 140. However if you book the MIA-LAX on AA metal but via BA.com it puts you in a J/I Business fare class and you only net 140. So you need to play the system. DUB-HNL 'tier point runs' are common with you easily being able to net c900 Tier points for one trip at a fare that can be found of about £1300 round trip. Gold (OW Emerald) requires 1500 Tier points.
Also in the recent changes with BA Exec Club they changed the redemption rates (generally for the worse) but it does encourage you to redeem on BA's own metal verus a OW partner now. The reason being that they have introduced peak and non-peak redemption rates. Most of the year is non peak for BA metal. But non-peak doesn't exist for other OW flights. They are always considered peak rates. So SYD-SIN in J on BA metal is 50K Avios most of the year but if I choose QF metal it's 60K avios.
Hi TRB, re: questions 1 & 2, AA just last week updated its earning tables for its partner airlines (including Qantas) to increase the number of EQMs earned on higher-priced tickets (while at the same time significantly increasing the incentive to book with AA where possible thanks to revised EQM earning rates that are even higher again).
Q3 relates more to your personal curiosity than any possible story angle on our part, so your best bet for an answer to that one would be to email BAEC customer support.
By your response I don't think you've understood my point re AA question 1 and 2, unless you're telling me overnight AA has changed to EQM factor 2 for all BA and QF flights booked in Business? Otherwise it is still discrimination...using the word "incentive" doesn't change anything.
By the way Chris. The new EQM is in fact the old EQP. So in relation to partners nothing much has in fact changed. While previously you earn status via EQP or EQM, now it's only the rebranded EQM, which has adopted the characteristics of EQP in all but name.
What has changed is that AA coded flights earn double EQM, while BA and QF flights, amongst other, only earn 1.5. Hence discrimination, as listed in the data I compiled above.
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TheRealBabushka
TheRealBabushka
Member since 21 Apr 2012
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Questions for AA and BA Execs.
BA, QF and AA have in the past 12 - 18 months made changes to their FF programmes. The effects on elite status accrual for BAEC Gold, QFF Platinum and Aadvantage EXP members are as follows:
QFF discriminates against BA flights but not against AA flights. E.g.:
• No Discrimination - QF SYD/LAX 180 SC in Business; AA SYD/LAX 180 SC in Business
• No Discrimination - QF SYD/LAX 45 SC in Discount Economy; AA SYD/LAX 45 SC in Discount Economy
• Discrimination - QF SYD/SIN 120 SC in Business; BA SYD/SIN 60 SC in Business
• Discrimination - QF SYD/SIN 30 SC in Discount Economy; BA SYD/SIN 15 SC in Discount Economy
BAEC does not discriminate against either QF or AA flights. E.g.:
• BA JFK/LHR 140 TP in Business; AA JFK/LHR 140 TP in Business
• BA JFK/LHR 20 TP in Discount Economy; AA JFK/LHR X 20 in Discount Economy
• BA SYD/SIN 140 TP in Business; QF SYD/SIN 140 TP in Business
• BA SYD/SIN 20 TP in Discount Economy; QF SYD/SIN 20 TP in Discount Economy
From 2016 AA discriminate against both BA and QF. E.g.:
• AA JFK/LHR EQM factor 2 in Business; BA JFK/LHR EQM factor 1.5 in Business
• AA JFK/LHR EQM factor 1 in Discount Economy; BA JFK/LHR EQM factor 0.5 in Discount Economy
• AA SYD/LAX EQM factor 2 in Business; QF SYD/LAX EQM factor 1.5 in Business
• AA SYD/LAX EQM factor 1 in Discount Economy, QF SYD/LAX EQM factor 0.5 in Discount Economy
David and Chris, when you next interview a BA or AA executive could you please consider asking the following questions? I would love to understand their logic and reasoning.
Questions for AA Execs:
1. Does AA think it is tenable to discriminate against BA and QF flights for elite accrual purposes, given both partners have opted to protect accrual rates for AA coded flights?
2. Does AA plan to update the accrual tables for BA and QF coded flights to return the favour?
Questions for BA Execs:
1. Why are they not concerned about devaluing QF coded flights for elite accrual purposes, given that QF has chosen to discriminate against BA coded flights?
cooper81
cooper81
BA Gold
Member since 01 Apr 2012
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There are some anomolies with BA Exec club which in fairness you can use to your advantage. Mainly when flying domestically with AA booked via AA. As AA deem their domestic business class as 'First' along with a fare code of F or A you net 210 BA tier points for say MIA-LAX domestic business (or 'First') whereas flying AA (or BA) LHR-MIA will net you only 140. However if you book the MIA-LAX on AA metal but via BA.com it puts you in a J/I Business fare class and you only net 140. So you need to play the system. DUB-HNL 'tier point runs' are common with you easily being able to net c900 Tier points for one trip at a fare that can be found of about £1300 round trip. Gold (OW Emerald) requires 1500 Tier points.
Also in the recent changes with BA Exec Club they changed the redemption rates (generally for the worse) but it does encourage you to redeem on BA's own metal verus a OW partner now. The reason being that they have introduced peak and non-peak redemption rates. Most of the year is non peak for BA metal. But non-peak doesn't exist for other OW flights. They are always considered peak rates. So SYD-SIN in J on BA metal is 50K Avios most of the year but if I choose QF metal it's 60K avios.
Chris C.
Chris C.
Member since 24 Apr 2012
Total posts 1,116
Hi TRB, re: questions 1 & 2, AA just last week updated its earning tables for its partner airlines (including Qantas) to increase the number of EQMs earned on higher-priced tickets (while at the same time significantly increasing the incentive to book with AA where possible thanks to revised EQM earning rates that are even higher again).
Q3 relates more to your personal curiosity than any possible story angle on our part, so your best bet for an answer to that one would be to email BAEC customer support.
TheRealBabushka
TheRealBabushka
Member since 21 Apr 2012
Total posts 2,058
Hi Chris,
By your response I don't think you've understood my point re AA question 1 and 2, unless you're telling me overnight AA has changed to EQM factor 2 for all BA and QF flights booked in Business? Otherwise it is still discrimination...using the word "incentive" doesn't change anything.
TheRealBabushka
TheRealBabushka
Member since 21 Apr 2012
Total posts 2,058
By the way Chris. The new EQM is in fact the old EQP. So in relation to partners nothing much has in fact changed. While previously you earn status via EQP or EQM, now it's only the rebranded EQM, which has adopted the characteristics of EQP in all but name.
What has changed is that AA coded flights earn double EQM, while BA and QF flights, amongst other, only earn 1.5. Hence discrimination, as listed in the data I compiled above.