As I understand it and as mentioned by some, you do not need permission to fly out of NZ. So, as I intend to do shortly, is to book a one way ticket to Auckland. I will clear their immigration formalities and enter NZ. I will then go to the check in counter and check into my international flight to Europe. It's one way so I am not concerned as to how long this colony will be closed down for. And it is none of Australia's business that I should do this. And quite honestly, why would Australia even care, and they won't anyway. Andiamo.
Last editedby GoRobin at Apr 15, 2021, 05:22 PM.
Well done, that's the spirit. Don't be a sheepepole pushed around by aus government.
Wow, tough words. All my family, friends and associates in Europe and Asia are in lockdown, Covid is rampant with many restrictions, shops and venues closed, masks compulsory in workplaces, so why the "F" would you want to travel? Sure, the older and frail you are the greater the risk, but many young folk have succumbed as well. I think the AUS & NZ govt's are doing a bloody good job keeping our life here as normal as possible. Don't screw it up!
The Australian government has done a lousy job with vaccinating the country. Too slow in getting vaccines, using B grade vaccine. Plus preventing Aussies leaving the country
Wow, tough words. All my family, friends and associates in Europe and Asia are in lockdown, Covid is rampant with many restrictions, shops and venues closed, masks compulsory in workplaces, so why the "F" would you want to travel? Sure, the older and frail you are the greater the risk, but many young folk have succumbed as well. I think the AUS & NZ govt's are doing a bloody good job keeping our life here as normal as possible. Don't screw it up!
The Australian government has done a lousy job with vaccinating the country. Too slow in getting vaccines, using B grade vaccine. Plus preventing Aussies leaving the country
As I understand it and as mentioned by some, you do not need permission to fly out of NZ. So, as I intend to do shortly, is to book a one way ticket to Auckland. I will clear their immigration formalities and enter NZ. I will then go to the check in counter and check into my international flight to Europe. It's one way so I am not concerned as to how long this colony will be closed down for. And it is none of Australia's business that I should do this. And quite honestly, why would Australia even care, and they won't anyway. Andiamo.
Last editedby GoRobin at Apr 15, 2021, 05:22 PM.
Well done, that's the spirit. Don't be a sheepepole pushed around by aus government.
I take it you're not an Australian citizen then? Free to stay OS as long as you care to, because you may not get back when your visa expires. Bon voyage and hope your health insurance is up to date.
As I understand it and as mentioned by some, you do not need permission to fly out of NZ. So, as I intend to do shortly, is to book a one way ticket to Auckland. I will clear their immigration formalities and enter NZ. I will then go to the check in counter and check into my international flight to Europe. It's one way so I am not concerned as to how long this colony will be closed down for. And it is none of Australia's business that I should do this. And quite honestly, why would Australia even care, and they won't anyway. Andiamo.
Last editedby GoRobin at Apr 15, 2021, 05:22 PM.
I sincerely hope you are correct and would love to know if this works for you.
I agree why should they care but they seem to, according to the border force website anyway.
I also was thinking that what you are proposing to do seems like a logical solution, my only concern would be if they can somehow see the onward flight..
Roughly when are you looking to travel?
It amazes me that the scared minority cannot believe that many, many Australians will be doing this and using NZ to escape. The Australian government are perfectly entitled to stop anyone they want from entering but the ban on a human from leaving of their own free will is inhumane.
There's a huge fine in place that could be imposed if the loophole is used and even jail time. So it looks like there will be a flood of exemption requests to travel from people who are vaccinated rather than people trying to use the loophole
Wow, tough words. All my family, friends and associates in Europe and Asia are in lockdown, Covid is rampant with many restrictions, shops and venues closed, masks compulsory in workplaces, so why the "F" would you want to travel? Sure, the older and frail you are the greater the risk, but many young folk have succumbed as well. I think the AUS & NZ govt's are doing a bloody good job keeping our life here as normal as possible. Don't screw it up!
You cannot impose your will on other people just because you think differently to them. Don't tell me what I should or should not do. You do what you think is acceptable and so will I.
Therefore, GoRobin, while your heart is in the right place, I'm afraid you haven't gotten all the facts about the situation in the USA. It's not as black and white as you make it out to be.
If you're in Australia right now, then surely you know that masks aren't required anywhere anymore and that whatever mask mandates were in place were short-lived (except Victoria) but even there I believe they've finally lifted their mandate.
@Tripleplatinum2, If you want to believe the government is doing a great job, well go right ahead and slavishly follow their every direction. Remember politicians are usually placed below used car salesman in the truthfulness pecking order.
Wow, tough words. All my family, friends and associates in Europe and Asia are in lockdown, Covid is rampant with many restrictions, shops and venues closed, masks compulsory in workplaces, so why the "F" would you want to travel? Sure, the older and frail you are the greater the risk, but many young folk have succumbed as well. I think the AUS & NZ govt's are doing a bloody good job keeping our life here as normal as possible. Don't screw it up!
Agree many Australians of Indian origin were allowed to leave for India for marriages (it is the wedding and festival season) and guess what surprise surprise they caught COVID and brought it back, which let to quarantine leaks, and the rest as they say is history in WA at least.
Wow, tough words. All my family, friends and associates in Europe and Asia are in lockdown, Covid is rampant with many restrictions, shops and venues closed, masks compulsory in workplaces, so why the "F" would you want to travel? Sure, the older and frail you are the greater the risk, but many young folk have succumbed as well. I think the AUS & NZ govt's are doing a bloody good job keeping our life here as normal as possible. Don't screw it up!
Agree many Australians of Indian origin were allowed to leave for India for marriages (it is the wedding and festival season) and guess what surprise surprise they caught COVID and brought it back, which let to quarantine leaks, and the rest as they say is history in WA at least.
Hoping that people will think your way and stay until there is zero covid in the world is never going to work. Australians will use NZ as loophole to get away. After 13 months, enough is enough, desperation will force many citizens to find any way out they can. Locking people up is not an answer. There has to be other ways. I can think of lots of options.
Yes but travel for what purpose? I've said it before, others have mentioned it and I'll say it again - relatively speaking, Australia (and New Zealand) are amongst the best places in the world to be right now. Perth aside (which has just come out of a lockdown) Australia and New Zealand are open for business.
In parts of Europe, there are curfews, mandatory masks to relax on the beach (Spain), a need for a Covid test just to get a haircut (Austria and Germany among others) and even internal travel restrictions. The Schengen agreement has effectively been suspended. In Phuket, expats and foreigners are being told to mask up, or they will be reported to their embassies and/or face a 20,000-40,000 Baht fine or even a 2 year jail term! What a way to encourage tourism on an island where it makes up 93% of local GDP! I'd be very nervous if I was there right now. Does one have to wear a mask while relaxing on the beach, or swimming? The law is unclear about that and open to the interpretation of corrupt officials.
In Bangkok, 2 or more people (even from the same family) riding inside a car MUST wear a mask (at least until May 9) or they face up to a 20,000 Baht fine (which is roughly A$833) although first time "offenders" are usually fined anywhere from 500-6,000 Baht. Even while walking alone outside a mask must be worn. This law came into force yesterday, yet Fauci has recently changed his tune about outdoor masks, declaring them largely unnecessary. I wonder what "science" Thai officials are following? Probably their favorite one - the science of corruption and control.
In Bali, 2 foreign YouTubers went to a supermarket, one of whom forget her mask. So her boyfriend painted a mask over her face. They posted the video on YouTube and now Bali authorities are threatening to prosecute and even deport them. Again - not a good look for an island equally as dependent on tourism as Phuket is.
In Cambodia, the rules are similar - no mask and you are prosecuted and fined US$50-250 or even more. Additionally, some Phnom Penh residents (those defined as living within the boundaries of "red zones") MUST submit by LAW to a Covid test, even if they haven't left their residences for weeks. Failure to do so could result in criminal prosecution.
In Qatar, a 3 year jail term awaits those who are caught not wearing masks or using the tracing app.
Even in America, all states require masks to be worn on public transport (by federal order), on federal property as well as in many shops even as outdoor mask ordinances are starting to be relaxed. In parts of Canada, there is a stay at home order in place.
I would love to get back to travelling, but unless the world goes back to normal first, I'd rather stay home. If you're currently in Australia, count yourself lucky, you have way more freedoms than most of the rest of the world even if international travel remains restricted. Aside from wanting to see family, I can't fathom any reason to want to travel right now.
If you must travel internationally, hop on a plane to New Zealand. It's a wonderful country. Unless you're a masochist, travel to Asia and Europe (and even North America) is going to have to wait.
Wow, tough words. All my family, friends and associates in Europe and Asia are in lockdown, Covid is rampant with many restrictions, shops and venues closed, masks compulsory in workplaces, so why the "F" would you want to travel? Sure, the older and frail you are the greater the risk, but many young folk have succumbed as well. I think the AUS & NZ govt's are doing a bloody good job keeping our life here as normal as possible. Don't screw it up!
Agree many Australians of Indian origin were allowed to leave for India for marriages (it is the wedding and festival season) and guess what surprise surprise they caught COVID and brought it back, which let to quarantine leaks, and the rest as they say is history in WA at least.
That doesn't make any sense to me. Have weddings even been allowed to be held in India? They have draconian social distancing restrictions in place, and while I know it's not possible to nitpick and control every aspect of every person's life all the time, especially in a country with such a large population, Indians have largely been compliant. This is because the penalties for non-compliance are harsh not to mention police officers go around beating people with sticks if they're caught doing things they're not allowed to. Corporal punishment is permissible and they don't have the same respect for human rights we have in the west.
Anyway, there is no way I would go to a wedding in another country right now. Think about the logistics and expenses involved. 2 weeks quarantine upon arrival in India and another 2 weeks when returning to Australia. You'd have to be a masochist to do that.
I'm not leaving where I am until these quarantines are lifted. Even if it takes another 12-18 months. As much as I hate it, I've waited this long, what's another year? Time will go by like that. It feels like only yesterday we ushered in the new year and now it's nearly May. Of course, I can't say how long we still have to wait. Just that I have a good feeling about mid to late 2022.
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Originally Posted by GoRobin
As I understand it and as mentioned by some, you do not need permission to fly out of NZ. So, as I intend to do shortly, is to book a one way ticket to Auckland. I will clear their immigration formalities and enter NZ. I will then go to the check in counter and check into my international flight to Europe. It's one way so I am not concerned as to how long this colony will be closed down for. And it is none of Australia's business that I should do this. And quite honestly, why would Australia even care, and they won't anyway. Andiamo.
j13
j13
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Originally Posted by OzDino
Wow, tough words. All my family, friends and associates in Europe and Asia are in lockdown, Covid is rampant with many restrictions, shops and venues closed, masks compulsory in workplaces, so why the "F" would you want to travel? Sure, the older and frail you are the greater the risk, but many young folk have succumbed as well. I think the AUS & NZ govt's are doing a bloody good job keeping our life here as normal as possible. Don't screw it up!
OzDino
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Originally Posted by j13
Originally Posted by OzDino
Wow, tough words. All my family, friends and associates in Europe and Asia are in lockdown, Covid is rampant with many restrictions, shops and venues closed, masks compulsory in workplaces, so why the "F" would you want to travel? Sure, the older and frail you are the greater the risk, but many young folk have succumbed as well. I think the AUS & NZ govt's are doing a bloody good job keeping our life here as normal as possible. Don't screw it up!
OzDino
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Originally Posted by j13
Originally Posted by GoRobin
As I understand it and as mentioned by some, you do not need permission to fly out of NZ. So, as I intend to do shortly, is to book a one way ticket to Auckland. I will clear their immigration formalities and enter NZ. I will then go to the check in counter and check into my international flight to Europe. It's one way so I am not concerned as to how long this colony will be closed down for. And it is none of Australia's business that I should do this. And quite honestly, why would Australia even care, and they won't anyway. Andiamo.
Richard W
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Originally Posted by WD76
Originally Posted by GoRobin
As I understand it and as mentioned by some, you do not need permission to fly out of NZ. So, as I intend to do shortly, is to book a one way ticket to Auckland. I will clear their immigration formalities and enter NZ. I will then go to the check in counter and check into my international flight to Europe. It's one way so I am not concerned as to how long this colony will be closed down for. And it is none of Australia's business that I should do this. And quite honestly, why would Australia even care, and they won't anyway. Andiamo.
I agree why should they care but they seem to, according to the border force website anyway.
I also was thinking that what you are proposing to do seems like a logical solution, my only concern would be if they can somehow see the onward flight..
Roughly when are you looking to travel?
Richard W
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Originally Posted by mviy
There's a huge fine in place that could be imposed if the loophole is used and even jail time. So it looks like there will be a flood of exemption requests to travel from people who are vaccinated rather than people trying to use the loophole
Richard W
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Originally Posted by OzDino
Wow, tough words. All my family, friends and associates in Europe and Asia are in lockdown, Covid is rampant with many restrictions, shops and venues closed, masks compulsory in workplaces, so why the "F" would you want to travel? Sure, the older and frail you are the greater the risk, but many young folk have succumbed as well. I think the AUS & NZ govt's are doing a bloody good job keeping our life here as normal as possible. Don't screw it up!
You cannot impose your will on other people just because you think differently to them. Don't tell me what I should or should not do. You do what you think is acceptable and so will I.
Richard W
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Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer
Therefore, GoRobin, while your heart is in the right place, I'm afraid you haven't gotten all the facts about the situation in the USA. It's not as black and white as you make it out to be.
If you're in Australia right now, then surely you know that masks aren't required anywhere anymore and that whatever mask mandates were in place were short-lived (except Victoria) but even there I believe they've finally lifted their mandate.
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Richard, you're being very rude.
Please troll elsewhere.
Richard W
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Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer
Richard, you're being very rude.
Please troll elsewhere.
I apologise. Sorry, genuinely.
j13
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@Tripleplatinum2, If you want to believe the government is doing a great job, well go right ahead and slavishly follow their every direction. Remember politicians are usually placed below used car salesman in the truthfulness pecking order.
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Originally Posted by OzDino
Wow, tough words. All my family, friends and associates in Europe and Asia are in lockdown, Covid is rampant with many restrictions, shops and venues closed, masks compulsory in workplaces, so why the "F" would you want to travel? Sure, the older and frail you are the greater the risk, but many young folk have succumbed as well. I think the AUS & NZ govt's are doing a bloody good job keeping our life here as normal as possible. Don't screw it up!
Richard W
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Originally Posted by patrickk
Originally Posted by OzDino
Wow, tough words. All my family, friends and associates in Europe and Asia are in lockdown, Covid is rampant with many restrictions, shops and venues closed, masks compulsory in workplaces, so why the "F" would you want to travel? Sure, the older and frail you are the greater the risk, but many young folk have succumbed as well. I think the AUS & NZ govt's are doing a bloody good job keeping our life here as normal as possible. Don't screw it up!
Hoping that people will think your way and stay until there is zero covid in the world is never going to work. Australians will use NZ as loophole to get away. After 13 months, enough is enough, desperation will force many citizens to find any way out they can. Locking people up is not an answer. There has to be other ways. I can think of lots of options.
TheFreqFlyer
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Yes but travel for what purpose? I've said it before, others have mentioned it and I'll say it again - relatively speaking, Australia (and New Zealand) are amongst the best places in the world to be right now. Perth aside (which has just come out of a lockdown) Australia and New Zealand are open for business.
In parts of Europe, there are curfews, mandatory masks to relax on the beach (Spain), a need for a Covid test just to get a haircut (Austria and Germany among others) and even internal travel restrictions. The Schengen agreement has effectively been suspended. In Phuket, expats and foreigners are being told to mask up, or they will be reported to their embassies and/or face a 20,000-40,000 Baht fine or even a 2 year jail term! What a way to encourage tourism on an island where it makes up 93% of local GDP! I'd be very nervous if I was there right now. Does one have to wear a mask while relaxing on the beach, or swimming? The law is unclear about that and open to the interpretation of corrupt officials.
In Bangkok, 2 or more people (even from the same family) riding inside a car MUST wear a mask (at least until May 9) or they face up to a 20,000 Baht fine (which is roughly A$833) although first time "offenders" are usually fined anywhere from 500-6,000 Baht. Even while walking alone outside a mask must be worn. This law came into force yesterday, yet Fauci has recently changed his tune about outdoor masks, declaring them largely unnecessary. I wonder what "science" Thai officials are following? Probably their favorite one - the science of corruption and control.
In Bali, 2 foreign YouTubers went to a supermarket, one of whom forget her mask. So her boyfriend painted a mask over her face. They posted the video on YouTube and now Bali authorities are threatening to prosecute and even deport them. Again - not a good look for an island equally as dependent on tourism as Phuket is.
In Cambodia, the rules are similar - no mask and you are prosecuted and fined US$50-250 or even more. Additionally, some Phnom Penh residents (those defined as living within the boundaries of "red zones") MUST submit by LAW to a Covid test, even if they haven't left their residences for weeks. Failure to do so could result in criminal prosecution.
In Qatar, a 3 year jail term awaits those who are caught not wearing masks or using the tracing app.
Even in America, all states require masks to be worn on public transport (by federal order), on federal property as well as in many shops even as outdoor mask ordinances are starting to be relaxed. In parts of Canada, there is a stay at home order in place.
I would love to get back to travelling, but unless the world goes back to normal first, I'd rather stay home. If you're currently in Australia, count yourself lucky, you have way more freedoms than most of the rest of the world even if international travel remains restricted. Aside from wanting to see family, I can't fathom any reason to want to travel right now.
If you must travel internationally, hop on a plane to New Zealand. It's a wonderful country. Unless you're a masochist, travel to Asia and Europe (and even North America) is going to have to wait.
TheFreqFlyer
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Originally Posted by patrickk
Originally Posted by OzDino
Wow, tough words. All my family, friends and associates in Europe and Asia are in lockdown, Covid is rampant with many restrictions, shops and venues closed, masks compulsory in workplaces, so why the "F" would you want to travel? Sure, the older and frail you are the greater the risk, but many young folk have succumbed as well. I think the AUS & NZ govt's are doing a bloody good job keeping our life here as normal as possible. Don't screw it up!
That doesn't make any sense to me. Have weddings even been allowed to be held in India? They have draconian social distancing restrictions in place, and while I know it's not possible to nitpick and control every aspect of every person's life all the time, especially in a country with such a large population, Indians have largely been compliant. This is because the penalties for non-compliance are harsh not to mention police officers go around beating people with sticks if they're caught doing things they're not allowed to. Corporal punishment is permissible and they don't have the same respect for human rights we have in the west.
Anyway, there is no way I would go to a wedding in another country right now. Think about the logistics and expenses involved. 2 weeks quarantine upon arrival in India and another 2 weeks when returning to Australia. You'd have to be a masochist to do that.
I'm not leaving where I am until these quarantines are lifted. Even if it takes another 12-18 months. As much as I hate it, I've waited this long, what's another year? Time will go by like that. It feels like only yesterday we ushered in the new year and now it's nearly May. Of course, I can't say how long we still have to wait. Just that I have a good feeling about mid to late 2022.