Richard I’m very pleased the government controls my health. They told me to get vaccinated 60 something years ago and generally looked after me ever since to varying degrees of effectiveness. They halve my doctors bills and probably more pharmacy bills and sometimes help out on hospital bills. Far more preferable to the over priced US system which seems to be your preference. I’m glad you didn’t exclude news reports. Yes lockdowns do work. Easy to check where they’ve been lifted too early to see what happened.
I think you are only looking at lockdowns with a closed mindset. They do not always stop the spread. But they always cause devastation to millions of people. people are starving just so some can say there are zero cases. People are committing suicide through losing their businesses. Marriages are wrecked, children are storing up massive mental health issues all so some health expert can say there are zero cases. It's madness. Sure, have some simple controls. Make masks mandatory as they are in Hong Kong. Even little kids wear masks there. They have no problem at all and have never locked down. They put simple restrictions in place and over the last 6 months they get a few small amount of cases but no lockdown. We can follow the same path. Australia is one country. No border closures, allow interstate travel, keep simple restrictions in place but no need to lockdown. There is a balance which can be achieved.
Richard in Australia the devastation is not quite as dire unemployment is back to 2019 levels bankruptcies are down housing prices are booming. There are mental health issues but not dramatic. Then again the mental health issues with higher covid cases need to be factored in. My point is shorter sharper and earlier lockdowns do work: see SA and WA
How long should we keep having lockdowns?
That's easy: when most of us are vaccinated and the Federal Government dawdling on this hasn't helped but hopefully by the end of the year. A few months after everybody else
Most of the population will not get vaccinated. They choose not to do so. How long should we keep having lockdowns?
Like most of your comments your figures are also just plain false. Just because you are gullible enough to believe conspiracy theories, thankfully most of the rest of the country isn't.
Unfortunately my comments are not conspiracy theories but reality. As of today only 2.8% of the population of Australia are fully vaccinated. 23.91% have had at least one dose. Right now, most of the population do not want to have the vaccine. I will.
So. How long should we keep having lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Simple question.
Richard the latest survey suggest that most do: around 70% will or are likely to, much in line with other countries. Not sure where ‘most do not’ comes from.
I look at survey results as well and certainly do not see 70% as a likely number. Today I read that only 30% of aged care workers are vaccinated. If ever any cohort should be vaccinated it is people working in aged care. And they have been at the front of the queue so no lack of vaccine doses has distorted this number. If we get 50% of the population vaccinated it will be an achievement.
So. Again I ask the question. How long should we have lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Let me give you a different potential answer. No lockdowns apply to anyone who is fully vaccinated.
Richard a Sydney University survey dated May 10 shows 66% would have a jab and a further 30% are undecided. Here is the link https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/05/10/australians-support-mandatory-covid-19-vaccine-survey.html
What do you want to believe in? A hopeful prediction or actual reality backed up by hard facts right now? Only 30% of front line aged care workers are vaccinated. The two 60 year olds at the dry cleaners who became infected from Sydney are not vaccinated. All these people are at the front of the queue for being eligible to be vaccinated. They chose not to do so. By the time we even get close to 50%, new strains will mean different vaccines will be needed. So again I ask, how long should we stay in lock down and pausing Interstate travel?
Richard the reason that only 30% of aged care workers are vaccinated is that the federal government is responsible for it and failed at its job. If age care workers get the jab privately at their GP it isn’t reported as an age care vaccination.
Richard I’m very pleased the government controls my health. They told me to get vaccinated 60 something years ago and generally looked after me ever since to varying degrees of effectiveness. They halve my doctors bills and probably more pharmacy bills and sometimes help out on hospital bills. Far more preferable to the over priced US system which seems to be your preference. I’m glad you didn’t exclude news reports. Yes lockdowns do work. Easy to check where they’ve been lifted too early to see what happened.
I think you are only looking at lockdowns with a closed mindset. They do not always stop the spread. But they always cause devastation to millions of people. people are starving just so some can say there are zero cases. People are committing suicide through losing their businesses. Marriages are wrecked, children are storing up massive mental health issues all so some health expert can say there are zero cases. It's madness. Sure, have some simple controls. Make masks mandatory as they are in Hong Kong. Even little kids wear masks there. They have no problem at all and have never locked down. They put simple restrictions in place and over the last 6 months they get a few small amount of cases but no lockdown. We can follow the same path. Australia is one country. No border closures, allow interstate travel, keep simple restrictions in place but no need to lockdown. There is a balance which can be achieved.
Richard in Australia the devastation is not quite as dire unemployment is back to 2019 levels bankruptcies are down housing prices are booming. There are mental health issues but not dramatic. Then again the mental health issues with higher covid cases need to be factored in. My point is shorter sharper and earlier lockdowns do work: see SA and WA
How long should we keep having lockdowns?
That's easy: when most of us are vaccinated and the Federal Government dawdling on this hasn't helped but hopefully by the end of the year. A few months after everybody else
Most of the population will not get vaccinated. They choose not to do so. How long should we keep having lockdowns?
Like most of your comments your figures are also just plain false. Just because you are gullible enough to believe conspiracy theories, thankfully most of the rest of the country isn't.
Unfortunately my comments are not conspiracy theories but reality. As of today only 2.8% of the population of Australia are fully vaccinated. 23.91% have had at least one dose. Right now, most of the population do not want to have the vaccine. I will.
So. How long should we keep having lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Simple question.
Richard the latest survey suggest that most do: around 70% will or are likely to, much in line with other countries. Not sure where ‘most do not’ comes from.
I look at survey results as well and certainly do not see 70% as a likely number. Today I read that only 30% of aged care workers are vaccinated. If ever any cohort should be vaccinated it is people working in aged care. And they have been at the front of the queue so no lack of vaccine doses has distorted this number. If we get 50% of the population vaccinated it will be an achievement.
So. Again I ask the question. How long should we have lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Let me give you a different potential answer. No lockdowns apply to anyone who is fully vaccinated.
Richard a Sydney University survey dated May 10 shows 66% would have a jab and a further 30% are undecided. Here is the link https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/05/10/australians-support-mandatory-covid-19-vaccine-survey.html
What do you want to believe in? A hopeful prediction or actual reality backed up by hard facts right now? Only 30% of front line aged care workers are vaccinated. The two 60 year olds at the dry cleaners who became infected from Sydney are not vaccinated. All these people are at the front of the queue for being eligible to be vaccinated. They chose not to do so. By the time we even get close to 50%, new strains will mean different vaccines will be needed. So again I ask, how long should we stay in lock down and pausing Interstate travel?
Richard the reason that only 30% of aged care workers are vaccinated is that the federal government is responsible for it and failed at its job. If age care workers get the jab privately at their GP it isn’t reported as an age care vaccination.
Unlike other aged groups or cohorts, the federal government has given every aged care worker the option and opportunity to get vaccinated. I work in healthcare, my wife is also a GP. Everything is accurately reported to authorities for each dose given by all GP's.
Richard I’m very pleased the government controls my health. They told me to get vaccinated 60 something years ago and generally looked after me ever since to varying degrees of effectiveness. They halve my doctors bills and probably more pharmacy bills and sometimes help out on hospital bills. Far more preferable to the over priced US system which seems to be your preference. I’m glad you didn’t exclude news reports. Yes lockdowns do work. Easy to check where they’ve been lifted too early to see what happened.
I think you are only looking at lockdowns with a closed mindset. They do not always stop the spread. But they always cause devastation to millions of people. people are starving just so some can say there are zero cases. People are committing suicide through losing their businesses. Marriages are wrecked, children are storing up massive mental health issues all so some health expert can say there are zero cases. It's madness. Sure, have some simple controls. Make masks mandatory as they are in Hong Kong. Even little kids wear masks there. They have no problem at all and have never locked down. They put simple restrictions in place and over the last 6 months they get a few small amount of cases but no lockdown. We can follow the same path. Australia is one country. No border closures, allow interstate travel, keep simple restrictions in place but no need to lockdown. There is a balance which can be achieved.
Richard in Australia the devastation is not quite as dire unemployment is back to 2019 levels bankruptcies are down housing prices are booming. There are mental health issues but not dramatic. Then again the mental health issues with higher covid cases need to be factored in. My point is shorter sharper and earlier lockdowns do work: see SA and WA
How long should we keep having lockdowns?
That's easy: when most of us are vaccinated and the Federal Government dawdling on this hasn't helped but hopefully by the end of the year. A few months after everybody else
Most of the population will not get vaccinated. They choose not to do so. How long should we keep having lockdowns?
Like most of your comments your figures are also just plain false. Just because you are gullible enough to believe conspiracy theories, thankfully most of the rest of the country isn't.
Unfortunately my comments are not conspiracy theories but reality. As of today only 2.8% of the population of Australia are fully vaccinated. 23.91% have had at least one dose. Right now, most of the population do not want to have the vaccine. I will.
So. How long should we keep having lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Simple question.
Richard the latest survey suggest that most do: around 70% will or are likely to, much in line with other countries. Not sure where ‘most do not’ comes from.
I look at survey results as well and certainly do not see 70% as a likely number. Today I read that only 30% of aged care workers are vaccinated. If ever any cohort should be vaccinated it is people working in aged care. And they have been at the front of the queue so no lack of vaccine doses has distorted this number. If we get 50% of the population vaccinated it will be an achievement.
So. Again I ask the question. How long should we have lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Let me give you a different potential answer. No lockdowns apply to anyone who is fully vaccinated.
Richard a Sydney University survey dated May 10 shows 66% would have a jab and a further 30% are undecided. Here is the link https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/05/10/australians-support-mandatory-covid-19-vaccine-survey.html
What do you want to believe in? A hopeful prediction or actual reality backed up by hard facts right now? Only 30% of front line aged care workers are vaccinated. The two 60 year olds at the dry cleaners who became infected from Sydney are not vaccinated. All these people are at the front of the queue for being eligible to be vaccinated. They chose not to do so. By the time we even get close to 50%, new strains will mean different vaccines will be needed. So again I ask, how long should we stay in lock down and pausing Interstate travel?
Richard the reason that only 30% of aged care workers are vaccinated is that the federal government is responsible for it and failed at its job. If age care workers get the jab privately at their GP it isn’t reported as an age care vaccination.
Unlike other aged groups or cohorts, the federal government has given every aged care worker the option and opportunity to get vaccinated. I work in healthcare, my wife is also a GP. Everything is accurately reported to authorities for each dose given by all GP's.
There are certainly different stories around this. It seems many private health providers advised staff not to get vaccinated when the residents were vaccinated (not quite the opportunity) hence the delay. By the way I got vaccinated at a GP and my occupation wasn’t sought. Anyway most people in these jobs have a few occupations so which one to say. Anyway privacy laws prevent any coercion in this area.
Dont get me going on GP giving COVID good deal you get $17 per jab, easy earner.... Plus those who are vaccinated still have to be in the same boat as those who have not with lock down. You can see why many Australians dont see a need to have the vaccine. QLD population over 5.l Million. Covid positive cases 0.03% around 1400 people.
What a sad day for the travel industry. Just about all states and territories have now closed itself to each other.
It is a sad day for all Australians. However it is our fault as we allow our politicians to close our borders and do nothing about it! How many more years of border closures are we likely to have to endure. Our federal and State leaders will not even give us an understanding of what is required to stop them. Covid cannot be stopped. If the answer to when will border closures stop is when we have zero covid then it will never happen. If it is when we have 70% of the population vaccinated, then we should be told this now. Anyone fully vaccinated should not be restricted on interstate travel. Cue the hysterical minorities saying that this will cause death as fully vaccinated people can catch and pass it on. This year, not one person has died in Australia from a direct link to Covid. Stop counting cases and locking down, all that does is cause misery to millions of Australians and merely pushes back the time when covid is normal in our society.
What a sad day for the travel industry. Just about all states and territories have now closed itself to each other.
It is a sad day for all Australians. However it is our fault as we allow our politicians to close our borders and do nothing about it! How many more years of border closures are we likely to have to endure. Our federal and State leaders will not even give us an understanding of what is required to stop them. Covid cannot be stopped. If the answer to when will border closures stop is when we have zero covid then it will never happen. If it is when we have 70% of the population vaccinated, then we should be told this now. Anyone fully vaccinated should not be restricted on interstate travel. Cue the hysterical minorities saying that this will cause death as fully vaccinated people can catch and pass it on. This year, not one person has died in Australia from a direct link to Covid. Stop counting cases and locking down, all that does is cause misery to millions of Australians and merely pushes back the time when covid is normal in our society.
I know their standard argument will be the usual - "just look to the UK or USA where thousands are dying daily" etc as if they are almost stuck in March 2020.
The fact is the world has moved beyond March 2020 and has moved into the next phase with vaccination.
Richard, I share your frustration and I lay blame with the prime minister and federal government who should be "leading" the national debate on when the nation can safely re-open our borders next year.
He is doing the opposite and actually throwing doubt into people minds and saying things like "even when the nation is fully vaccinated - it still might not be enough to re-open borders" which reeks of the politics and shall i say "federal election"
The authorities will full well know what percentage of the population that require vaccinated by for some reason its the biggest elephant in the room for our leaders in Australia.
The world is opening up we aren't. We were the envy of the world. Australia will be a laughing stock if we don't open up or start a plan. I like what Singapore is doing when they reach their vaccination target- TREAT IT LIKE THE FLU https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
The world is opening up we aren't. We were the envy of the world. Australia will be a laughing stock if we don't open up or start a plan. I like what Singapore is doing when they reach their vaccination target- TREAT IT LIKE THE FLU https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
Australia's approach is embarrassing for a developed country in the so-called "free world" to say the least. Locking down entire cities or states over 1 or 2 new "cases" and imposing a hard lockdown over 100 a day, which is truly nothing. How many individuals were diagnosed with the flu on average, prior to 2020? Did we lockdown then? No.
Malaysia has proven that hard lockdowns just don't work. Thailand is claiming to have implemented a hard lockdown with travel restrictions - but all they've actually done is suspend public transport connecting provinces (including most domestic flights) and set-up checkpoints to restrict travel during the newly enacted curfew hours of 9pm-4am (in effect until August 2) in 13 provinces; during the day there are no checkpoints and vehicles pass freely. Markets and many types of stores are still open. Increased testing and samples tested at high CT values are producing what appears to be a "worrying trend" of "increased infections", but in reality the vast majority are of asymptomatic individuals. Southern Vietnam is under a more stringent lockdown and recording 5000 or so daily "infections" and still on an upward trend.
Even so, with 13,000 daily so-called "infections", Thailand's restrictions are significantly less stringent than those of NSW with it's paltry 100 daily cases. I thought Thailand was the laughing stock of the world but that title now clearly goes to Australia.
The world is opening up we aren't. We were the envy of the world. Australia will be a laughing stock if we don't open up or start a plan. I like what Singapore is doing when they reach their vaccination target- TREAT IT LIKE THE FLU https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
Australia's approach is embarrassing for a developed country in the so-called "free world" to say the least. Locking down entire cities or states over 1 or 2 new "cases" and imposing a hard lockdown over 100 a day, which is truly nothing. How many individuals were diagnosed with the flu on average, prior to 2020? Did we lockdown then? No.
Malaysia has proven that hard lockdowns just don't work. Thailand is claiming to have implemented a hard lockdown with travel restrictions - but all they've actually done is suspend public transport connecting provinces (including most domestic flights) and set-up checkpoints to restrict travel during the newly enacted curfew hours of 9pm-4am (in effect until August 2) in 13 provinces; during the day there are no checkpoints and vehicles pass freely. Markets and many types of stores are still open. Increased testing and samples tested at high CT values are producing what appears to be a "worrying trend" of "increased infections", but in reality the vast majority are of asymptomatic individuals. Southern Vietnam is under a more stringent lockdown and recording 5000 or so daily "infections" and still on an upward trend.
Even so, with 13,000 daily so-called "infections", Thailand's restrictions are significantly less stringent than those of NSW with it's paltry 100 daily cases. I thought Thailand was the laughing stock of the world but that title now clearly goes to Australia.
I think lockdowns had their place in 2020 and even perhaps early 2021 when there was no vaccine - Australia is not ready to open today or next week but the government needs to start serious conversations around what the future entails in regards to a post Vaccinated Australia.
Our current zero risk approach is not sustainable in the long run - which is now clearly evident with lockdowns now occurring almost weekly across the nation with the more infectious delta strain.
I really wish the government put dates/numbers next to their 4 phase reopening plan - clearly the plan at this stage has gone to tatters as lockdowns are still used as a first resort for most states.
The world is opening up we aren't. We were the envy of the world. Australia will be a laughing stock if we don't open up or start a plan. I like what Singapore is doing when they reach their vaccination target- TREAT IT LIKE THE FLU https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
Australia's approach is embarrassing for a developed country in the so-called "free world" to say the least. Locking down entire cities or states over 1 or 2 new "cases" and imposing a hard lockdown over 100 a day, which is truly nothing. How many individuals were diagnosed with the flu on average, prior to 2020? Did we lockdown then? No.
Malaysia has proven that hard lockdowns just don't work. Thailand is claiming to have implemented a hard lockdown with travel restrictions - but all they've actually done is suspend public transport connecting provinces (including most domestic flights) and set-up checkpoints to restrict travel during the newly enacted curfew hours of 9pm-4am (in effect until August 2) in 13 provinces; during the day there are no checkpoints and vehicles pass freely. Markets and many types of stores are still open. Increased testing and samples tested at high CT values are producing what appears to be a "worrying trend" of "increased infections", but in reality the vast majority are of asymptomatic individuals. Southern Vietnam is under a more stringent lockdown and recording 5000 or so daily "infections" and still on an upward trend.
Even so, with 13,000 daily so-called "infections", Thailand's restrictions are significantly less stringent than those of NSW with it's paltry 100 daily cases. I thought Thailand was the laughing stock of the world but that title now clearly goes to Australia.
We may not be ready to open fully with complete disregard to restrictions, but the current condition of lockdown of half of Australia is laughable. As soon as the lockdowns end, we will be back with the virus spreading. Even with 80% vaccinated (unlikely) the virus will spread. So what are we locking down for? Places like Hong Kong have never locked down, they just control things simply and have very few deaths. We are so poorly served by our politicians at all levels, it's a disgrace.
The world is opening up we aren't. We were the envy of the world. Australia will be a laughing stock if we don't open up or start a plan. I like what Singapore is doing when they reach their vaccination target- TREAT IT LIKE THE FLU https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
Australia's approach is embarrassing for a developed country in the so-called "free world" to say the least. Locking down entire cities or states over 1 or 2 new "cases" and imposing a hard lockdown over 100 a day, which is truly nothing. How many individuals were diagnosed with the flu on average, prior to 2020? Did we lockdown then? No.
Malaysia has proven that hard lockdowns just don't work. Thailand is claiming to have implemented a hard lockdown with travel restrictions - but all they've actually done is suspend public transport connecting provinces (including most domestic flights) and set-up checkpoints to restrict travel during the newly enacted curfew hours of 9pm-4am (in effect until August 2) in 13 provinces; during the day there are no checkpoints and vehicles pass freely. Markets and many types of stores are still open. Increased testing and samples tested at high CT values are producing what appears to be a "worrying trend" of "increased infections", but in reality the vast majority are of asymptomatic individuals. Southern Vietnam is under a more stringent lockdown and recording 5000 or so daily "infections" and still on an upward trend.
Even so, with 13,000 daily so-called "infections", Thailand's restrictions are significantly less stringent than those of NSW with it's paltry 100 daily cases. I thought Thailand was the laughing stock of the world but that title now clearly goes to Australia.
We may not be ready to open fully with complete disregard to restrictions, but the current condition of lockdown of half of Australia is laughable. As soon as the lockdowns end, we will be back with the virus spreading. Even with 80% vaccinated (unlikely) the virus will spread. So what are we locking down for? Places like Hong Kong have never locked down, they just control things simply and have very few deaths. We are so poorly served by our politicians at all levels, it's a disgrace.
on Sky news last night, they said someone has calculated that by 12 Nov, everyone who wants a shot will be vaccinated, so all borders should be fully open by then at the latest, IF they can't fast track jabs. Think many international airlines may not come back to Australia straight away, so we'll have massive pent up demand, but also a shortage of supply, so fares may skyrocket.
The world is opening up we aren't. We were the envy of the world. Australia will be a laughing stock if we don't open up or start a plan. I like what Singapore is doing when they reach their vaccination target- TREAT IT LIKE THE FLU https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
Australia's approach is embarrassing for a developed country in the so-called "free world" to say the least. Locking down entire cities or states over 1 or 2 new "cases" and imposing a hard lockdown over 100 a day, which is truly nothing. How many individuals were diagnosed with the flu on average, prior to 2020? Did we lockdown then? No.
Malaysia has proven that hard lockdowns just don't work. Thailand is claiming to have implemented a hard lockdown with travel restrictions - but all they've actually done is suspend public transport connecting provinces (including most domestic flights) and set-up checkpoints to restrict travel during the newly enacted curfew hours of 9pm-4am (in effect until August 2) in 13 provinces; during the day there are no checkpoints and vehicles pass freely. Markets and many types of stores are still open. Increased testing and samples tested at high CT values are producing what appears to be a "worrying trend" of "increased infections", but in reality the vast majority are of asymptomatic individuals. Southern Vietnam is under a more stringent lockdown and recording 5000 or so daily "infections" and still on an upward trend.
Even so, with 13,000 daily so-called "infections", Thailand's restrictions are significantly less stringent than those of NSW with it's paltry 100 daily cases. I thought Thailand was the laughing stock of the world but that title now clearly goes to Australia.
We may not be ready to open fully with complete disregard to restrictions, but the current condition of lockdown of half of Australia is laughable. As soon as the lockdowns end, we will be back with the virus spreading. Even with 80% vaccinated (unlikely) the virus will spread. So what are we locking down for? Places like Hong Kong have never locked down, they just control things simply and have very few deaths. We are so poorly served by our politicians at all levels, it's a disgrace.
on Sky news last night, they said someone has calculated that by 12 Nov, everyone who wants a shot will be vaccinated, so all borders should be fully open by then at the latest, IF they can't fast track jabs. Think many international airlines may not come back to Australia straight away, so we'll have massive pent up demand, but also a shortage of supply, so fares may skyrocket.
Regular Florida with much the same population as Australia during their last winter and no regulation was 200 deaths a day and thousands of cases and this was pre delta variant, which is leading to new lockdowns almost everywhere. All I can say is be careful for what you wish for.
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Richard I’m very pleased the government controls my health. They told me to get vaccinated 60 something years ago and generally looked after me ever since to varying degrees of effectiveness. They halve my doctors bills and probably more pharmacy bills and sometimes help out on hospital bills. Far more preferable to the over priced US system which seems to be your preference. I’m glad you didn’t exclude news reports. Yes lockdowns do work. Easy to check where they’ve been lifted too early to see what happened.
So. How long should we keep having lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Simple question.
So. Again I ask the question. How long should we have lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Let me give you a different potential answer. No lockdowns apply to anyone who is fully vaccinated.
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Richard I’m very pleased the government controls my health. They told me to get vaccinated 60 something years ago and generally looked after me ever since to varying degrees of effectiveness. They halve my doctors bills and probably more pharmacy bills and sometimes help out on hospital bills. Far more preferable to the over priced US system which seems to be your preference. I’m glad you didn’t exclude news reports. Yes lockdowns do work. Easy to check where they’ve been lifted too early to see what happened.
So. How long should we keep having lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Simple question.
So. Again I ask the question. How long should we have lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Let me give you a different potential answer. No lockdowns apply to anyone who is fully vaccinated.
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Richard I’m very pleased the government controls my health. They told me to get vaccinated 60 something years ago and generally looked after me ever since to varying degrees of effectiveness. They halve my doctors bills and probably more pharmacy bills and sometimes help out on hospital bills. Far more preferable to the over priced US system which seems to be your preference. I’m glad you didn’t exclude news reports. Yes lockdowns do work. Easy to check where they’ve been lifted too early to see what happened.
So. How long should we keep having lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Simple question.
So. Again I ask the question. How long should we have lockdowns and stop interstate travel? Let me give you a different potential answer. No lockdowns apply to anyone who is fully vaccinated.
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What a sad day for the travel industry. Just about all states and territories have now closed itself to each other.
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With over 50% of Australia now closed - this post prob more relevant than ever
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Dont get me going on GP giving COVID good deal you get $17 per jab, easy earner.... Plus those who are vaccinated still have to be in the same boat as those who have not with lock down. You can see why many Australians dont see a need to have the vaccine. QLD population over 5.l Million. Covid positive cases 0.03% around 1400 people.
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What a sad day for the travel industry. Just about all states and territories have now closed itself to each other.
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Originally Posted by anonymous
What a sad day for the travel industry. Just about all states and territories have now closed itself to each other.
The fact is the world has moved beyond March 2020 and has moved into the next phase with vaccination.
Richard, I share your frustration and I lay blame with the prime minister and federal government who should be "leading" the national debate on when the nation can safely re-open our borders next year.
He is doing the opposite and actually throwing doubt into people minds and saying things like "even when the nation is fully vaccinated - it still might not be enough to re-open borders" which reeks of the politics and shall i say "federal election"
The authorities will full well know what percentage of the population that require vaccinated by for some reason its the biggest elephant in the room for our leaders in Australia.
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The world is opening up we aren't. We were the envy of the world. Australia will be a laughing stock if we don't open up or start a plan. I like what Singapore is doing when they reach their vaccination target- TREAT IT LIKE THE FLU https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
abudhabi1
abudhabi1
Thai Airways International - Royal Orchid Plus
Member since 15 Jan 2013
Total posts 105
It's madness.Also they allowed Football into and out of each state under reduced crowd number restrictions.They might put the rest of us at risk.
TheFreqFlyer
TheFreqFlyer
Member since 05 Oct 2017
Total posts 89
Originally Posted by Daco
The world is opening up we aren't. We were the envy of the world. Australia will be a laughing stock if we don't open up or start a plan. I like what Singapore is doing when they reach their vaccination target- TREAT IT LIKE THE FLU https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
Australia's approach is embarrassing for a developed country in the so-called "free world" to say the least. Locking down entire cities or states over 1 or 2 new "cases" and imposing a hard lockdown over 100 a day, which is truly nothing. How many individuals were diagnosed with the flu on average, prior to 2020? Did we lockdown then? No.
Malaysia has proven that hard lockdowns just don't work. Thailand is claiming to have implemented a hard lockdown with travel restrictions - but all they've actually done is suspend public transport connecting provinces (including most domestic flights) and set-up checkpoints to restrict travel during the newly enacted curfew hours of 9pm-4am (in effect until August 2) in 13 provinces; during the day there are no checkpoints and vehicles pass freely. Markets and many types of stores are still open. Increased testing and samples tested at high CT values are producing what appears to be a "worrying trend" of "increased infections", but in reality the vast majority are of asymptomatic individuals. Southern Vietnam is under a more stringent lockdown and recording 5000 or so daily "infections" and still on an upward trend.
Even so, with 13,000 daily so-called "infections", Thailand's restrictions are significantly less stringent than those of NSW with it's paltry 100 daily cases. I thought Thailand was the laughing stock of the world but that title now clearly goes to Australia.
Travellz
Travellz
Member since 26 Mar 2020
Total posts 55
Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer
Originally Posted by Daco
The world is opening up we aren't. We were the envy of the world. Australia will be a laughing stock if we don't open up or start a plan. I like what Singapore is doing when they reach their vaccination target- TREAT IT LIKE THE FLU https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
Australia's approach is embarrassing for a developed country in the so-called "free world" to say the least. Locking down entire cities or states over 1 or 2 new "cases" and imposing a hard lockdown over 100 a day, which is truly nothing. How many individuals were diagnosed with the flu on average, prior to 2020? Did we lockdown then? No.
Malaysia has proven that hard lockdowns just don't work. Thailand is claiming to have implemented a hard lockdown with travel restrictions - but all they've actually done is suspend public transport connecting provinces (including most domestic flights) and set-up checkpoints to restrict travel during the newly enacted curfew hours of 9pm-4am (in effect until August 2) in 13 provinces; during the day there are no checkpoints and vehicles pass freely. Markets and many types of stores are still open. Increased testing and samples tested at high CT values are producing what appears to be a "worrying trend" of "increased infections", but in reality the vast majority are of asymptomatic individuals. Southern Vietnam is under a more stringent lockdown and recording 5000 or so daily "infections" and still on an upward trend.
Even so, with 13,000 daily so-called "infections", Thailand's restrictions are significantly less stringent than those of NSW with it's paltry 100 daily cases. I thought Thailand was the laughing stock of the world but that title now clearly goes to Australia.
Our current zero risk approach is not sustainable in the long run - which is now clearly evident with lockdowns now occurring almost weekly across the nation with the more infectious delta strain.
I really wish the government put dates/numbers next to their 4 phase reopening plan - clearly the plan at this stage has gone to tatters as lockdowns are still used as a first resort for most states.
Richard W
Richard W
Singapore Airlines - KrisFlyer
Member since 12 Apr 2017
Total posts 88
Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer
Originally Posted by Daco
The world is opening up we aren't. We were the envy of the world. Australia will be a laughing stock if we don't open up or start a plan. I like what Singapore is doing when they reach their vaccination target- TREAT IT LIKE THE FLU https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
Australia's approach is embarrassing for a developed country in the so-called "free world" to say the least. Locking down entire cities or states over 1 or 2 new "cases" and imposing a hard lockdown over 100 a day, which is truly nothing. How many individuals were diagnosed with the flu on average, prior to 2020? Did we lockdown then? No.
Malaysia has proven that hard lockdowns just don't work. Thailand is claiming to have implemented a hard lockdown with travel restrictions - but all they've actually done is suspend public transport connecting provinces (including most domestic flights) and set-up checkpoints to restrict travel during the newly enacted curfew hours of 9pm-4am (in effect until August 2) in 13 provinces; during the day there are no checkpoints and vehicles pass freely. Markets and many types of stores are still open. Increased testing and samples tested at high CT values are producing what appears to be a "worrying trend" of "increased infections", but in reality the vast majority are of asymptomatic individuals. Southern Vietnam is under a more stringent lockdown and recording 5000 or so daily "infections" and still on an upward trend.
Even so, with 13,000 daily so-called "infections", Thailand's restrictions are significantly less stringent than those of NSW with it's paltry 100 daily cases. I thought Thailand was the laughing stock of the world but that title now clearly goes to Australia.
regular flyer
regular flyer
Member since 13 May 2020
Total posts 31
Originally Posted by Richard W
Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer
Originally Posted by Daco
The world is opening up we aren't. We were the envy of the world. Australia will be a laughing stock if we don't open up or start a plan. I like what Singapore is doing when they reach their vaccination target- TREAT IT LIKE THE FLU https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
Australia's approach is embarrassing for a developed country in the so-called "free world" to say the least. Locking down entire cities or states over 1 or 2 new "cases" and imposing a hard lockdown over 100 a day, which is truly nothing. How many individuals were diagnosed with the flu on average, prior to 2020? Did we lockdown then? No.
Malaysia has proven that hard lockdowns just don't work. Thailand is claiming to have implemented a hard lockdown with travel restrictions - but all they've actually done is suspend public transport connecting provinces (including most domestic flights) and set-up checkpoints to restrict travel during the newly enacted curfew hours of 9pm-4am (in effect until August 2) in 13 provinces; during the day there are no checkpoints and vehicles pass freely. Markets and many types of stores are still open. Increased testing and samples tested at high CT values are producing what appears to be a "worrying trend" of "increased infections", but in reality the vast majority are of asymptomatic individuals. Southern Vietnam is under a more stringent lockdown and recording 5000 or so daily "infections" and still on an upward trend.
Even so, with 13,000 daily so-called "infections", Thailand's restrictions are significantly less stringent than those of NSW with it's paltry 100 daily cases. I thought Thailand was the laughing stock of the world but that title now clearly goes to Australia.
patrickk
patrickk
Qantas
Member since 19 Apr 2012
Total posts 737
Originally Posted by regular flyer
Originally Posted by Richard W
Originally Posted by TheFreqFlyer
Originally Posted by Daco
The world is opening up we aren't. We were the envy of the world. Australia will be a laughing stock if we don't open up or start a plan. I like what Singapore is doing when they reach their vaccination target- TREAT IT LIKE THE FLU https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-covid-revealed/news-story/52fa2c29252daeb4a3c634e1658f6901
Australia's approach is embarrassing for a developed country in the so-called "free world" to say the least. Locking down entire cities or states over 1 or 2 new "cases" and imposing a hard lockdown over 100 a day, which is truly nothing. How many individuals were diagnosed with the flu on average, prior to 2020? Did we lockdown then? No.
Malaysia has proven that hard lockdowns just don't work. Thailand is claiming to have implemented a hard lockdown with travel restrictions - but all they've actually done is suspend public transport connecting provinces (including most domestic flights) and set-up checkpoints to restrict travel during the newly enacted curfew hours of 9pm-4am (in effect until August 2) in 13 provinces; during the day there are no checkpoints and vehicles pass freely. Markets and many types of stores are still open. Increased testing and samples tested at high CT values are producing what appears to be a "worrying trend" of "increased infections", but in reality the vast majority are of asymptomatic individuals. Southern Vietnam is under a more stringent lockdown and recording 5000 or so daily "infections" and still on an upward trend.
Even so, with 13,000 daily so-called "infections", Thailand's restrictions are significantly less stringent than those of NSW with it's paltry 100 daily cases. I thought Thailand was the laughing stock of the world but that title now clearly goes to Australia.