Why the curfews at Sydney and Adelaide airports should be axed

Just hope Qantas/Emirates don't bring their A380s in the morning. Well I love planes and live about 45 minutes out of MEL T2 I personally wounldn't mind.

The A380 is very quiet. When I lived under the Sydney flight path, I could always hear the domestic 737s and 767s etc. but the A380 was essentially quiet. 

Agreed. The A380 is quiet by jet standards. The 738s make quite a howl and don't start me on the 744s!

Regulation 7 of the Adelaide Airport Curfew Regulations (the Regulations) was updated on 18 December 2014 to provide for newer, quieter aircraft to operate during the curfew. A list of aircraft that are permitted to operate are listed in Regulation 7 of the Regulations.

That is as useful as the note in Yes, Minister which says:

"My attention has been brought on a personal basis to certain irregularities under Section 1 of the Import Export and Custom Powers Defence Act 1939 C. Prima facie evidence suggests that there may be a case for inquiries to be put into hand. Nevertheless, it should be stressed that the relevant facts may be difficult to establish with any degree of certainty."

In any case, I've actually looked at the updated Regulations and have discovered that the list is effectively useless because no mainline jets are on the list.

I'm neither for or against lifting the curfew.

Having spoken to people who live in the flight path, they say it's extreme and you can't sleep until the curfew kicks in. There's always the airport was there first argument... I've played football under the flight path in Balmain and Moore Park. Balmain is particularly loud, I get caught stargazing when an A380 is overhead rather than look at the play!

The most important thing in my opinion is not releaving congestion at Sydney thus alleviating the need for a second airport. As any relief would only be short term and the second airport is long overdue.

For Sydney at least, the first step should be to remove the movements cap during non-curfew hours, which artificially restricts capacity whilst achieving no material benefit. 

The current curfew exemptions and dispensations at both airports demonstrate the absurdity of the rules.  The 2 Jetstar A320's that generally land at Adelaide immediately after the end of the curfew certainlybaren't noisier than 737 classic freighters that are able to land during curfew hours

100% agree. I live some way from Sydney airport, relativeley close to the Sydney - Brisbane / Gold Coast flight path. I can instantly identify A320s as the grind past.

There's a 737-300 freighter that comes past each night after the curfew and is definietly quiter (although I assume deafening kits have been fitted.) The 738s are quiter again.

Easy to say this when you don't live under a flight path..

The first thing that should go is the movement cap which runs on a quarterly/ hourly basis - this causes needless delays on the ground. There is a practical limit in any event due to the number of runways and aircraft wake

Agree that the 320s seem noisier than the 737s - whilst the A380 is quiet for a big aircraft it is still noisier than most narrowbodies.

how would changing a curfew lower airfares, just curious?

I cant see a benefit to Adl airport , would QF come back with direct international flights I doubt it.

Jetstar yes or maybe even AirAsia come back.

Perhaps another runway and cram more flights in during normal operating hours in ADL

Maybe if you arrive at 3am especially when airport services are all almost closed, and getting slots at that time would be cheaper and easier than daytime or afternoon rush-hour and also especially because most passengers won't get to check-in their hotels at 3-4am so I think all those things could make a cheaper fare.

We have 3 runways at Sydney Airport and my knowledge is that Runway 16L/34R is the least affecting to nearby residents on approach and take off.

Therefore, whilst I agree that in the interest of Sydney residents to have a quiet night sleep we should block off other runways, I believe we can open runway 16L/34R for use 24/7.

To minimise distruptions to residents I suggest that there will be a minimum attitude imposed in the Inner West after 10pm which means planes will be required to decend at a higher rate to 16L.

Moreover, planes with loud engine noice shall not be used at night, i.e. only quiet models, such as Embarer 190, Boeing 737 MAX, 787, 777-300ER and Airbus A320neo, A330neo and A350 can be used during wee hours; and of course no loud B744s.

In brisbane we don't have a curfew and you can hear the midnight flights taking off to asia (Thanks CX and SQ) but no one really cares

Well, I live in Sydney, and under the flight path of the South runway only if they take off to the north and make a right ie bace down the south. I have to say, it can get quite noisy on the weekends but I'm talking about 3-4 times during the day. In the morning as soon as 6am comes. I can hear the engines of most of the domestic flights, but mostly they talk off towards South and/or use the East/West runway. I have to say, weather dependant, they do tend to have come in from the sea for landing if early in the morning anyway which is fine. (one flying over now as we speak, if windows are closed, min disturbance)

It's definitely a choice to live under a flight path due to the close proximity to the city, and Sydney is rather lucky to have the airport so close to the city, compared to say Brisbane (where I'm orignally from) or Melbourne!

If the curfew were to be lifted, I would say, they will implement a lot noise restriction and restricted approach, ie from sea.

You can all have your moans and groans, however in Perth because of curfews in the East, we have many international flights landing just before and after midnight to discharge some passengers, which then fly on to complete their journeys arriving just as curfews expire. Though Perth is increasingly getting international flights which terminate here, we cop more than our share to accommodate other cities gripes.  Spread it around I say.