It is not always the ex-BNE QF15 that turns into QF11, it is often QF11 (ex-SYD).
It is my experience that as QF15 is the first to arrive it always is QF11. I've tested this a few times by leaving something in my seat and it still being there when departing for New York. I do recall a time maybe 5-8 years ago when QF 1 0 Late was the A330 from Auckland if I recall, before being moved back to the 747. Could Qantas leave a dedicated A330 to do the daily run between LAX and JFK? The plane could be fuelled, crewed and catered in LAX before QF15 lands and thus allow plenty of time to pack bags and load passengers from the connecting flights.
QF 25 MEL-AKL-LAX, later SYD-AKL-LAX on an A330-200 :)
*pokes* The old QF25, after they changed it from a 747, still went MEL-AKL-LAX. They however used a 737 for the MEL sector while the A330 came from SYD using the QF141 and QF114 flight numbers. The 332 went 141-25-107-108-26-114 (SYD-AKL-LAX-JFK-LAX-AKL-SYD) ;) The JFK sectors were changed back to a 747 after the AKL-LAX flight was pulled. At the time, the 747 could have come from BNE, SYD or MEL when SYD had the 2nd QF17/18 747 flight and MEL had the 3 weekly QF95/96 747 flight.
It will go to a 787 once the next two arrive anyway.
It is not always the ex-BNE QF15 that turns into QF11, it is often QF11 (ex-SYD).
Not "often" at all. It is very rare, and only occurs when QF15 is substantially delayed and if it's on a Tuesday - the one day of the week that QF11 is a 747. This might occur a few times per year, no more.
On the other hand - our AA connecting flight from JFK arrived at SFO 30 minutes late which had us at the gate right on departure-time for our QF back to SYD. They knew we were coming but did not bother to wait 20 minutes or so for us , which they could easily have made up, leaving us stranded at midnight and the next three hours scrambling for a hotel room. Several of the 6 people left stranded were Chairmans Lounge and we all held boarding passes for SYD. So much for Qantas - always late when you're on time, but won't wait for you when needed.
I have another beef. I once paid for a flight 15 minutes earlier than one for half the price. My flight was cancelled and I was put onto the later one. Aren't I entitled to a refund????? This goes on all the time and in any other industry there would be compensation.
On the other hand - our AA connecting flight from JFK arrived at SFO 30 minutes late which had us at the gate right on departure-time for our QF back to SYD. They knew we were coming but did not bother to wait 20 minutes or so for us , which they could easily have made up, leaving us stranded at midnight and the next three hours scrambling for a hotel room. Several of the 6 people left stranded were Chairmans Lounge and we all held boarding passes for SYD. So much for Qantas - always late when you're on time, but won't wait for you when needed.
I have another beef. I once paid for a flight 15 minutes earlier than one for half the price. My flight was cancelled and I was put onto the later one. Aren't I entitled to a refund????? This goes on all the time and in any other industry there would be compensation.
I'd guess that the above scenario is repeated fairly regularly, given the number of connections that QF gets from AA and co. If they waited all the time they'd basically never get going. Chairman's club or not, if people need to make a flight, they should allow more buffer time...stuff goes wrong.
To the OPs original point: I do QF 11/12 to JFK nearly every month and it is virtually never on time and I am used to allowing for it. The good thing is that, unlike delays on an AA alternative the qantas connection (in either direction) will always wait for the inbound. That’s not a bad thing.
I do think the 787 will improve things slightly. Loading and unloading the 789 will have to be quicker than the 744. I’m hoping that the recent shift to JFK T8 also improves things even marginally by virtue of better terminal infrastructure (e.g. faster boarding queues and luggage handling).
In any event, I intend to be on the first non-stop from SYD to JFK.
On the other hand - our AA connecting flight from JFK arrived at SFO 30 minutes late which had us at the gate right on departure-time for our QF back to SYD. They knew we were coming but did not bother to wait 20 minutes or so for us , which they could easily have made up, leaving us stranded at midnight and the next three hours scrambling for a hotel room. Several of the 6 people left stranded were Chairmans Lounge and we all held boarding passes for SYD. So much for Qantas - always late when you're on time, but won't wait for you when needed.
I have another beef. I once paid for a flight 15 minutes earlier than one for half the price. My flight was cancelled and I was put onto the later one. Aren't I entitled to a refund????? This goes on all the time and in any other industry there would be compensation.
Holding the plane up could have lead to a loss of take off slot, and a much larger delay than what you have suggested. Hold for the 6 and potentially delay 300 + pax, or delay 6 and keep the majority of pax on time?
On the other hand - our AA connecting flight from JFK arrived at SFO 30 minutes late which had us at the gate right on departure-time for our QF back to SYD. .
So your original connection only allowed for 30 minutes as a transit at SFO?? Really?
One of the knock on effects of the late NYC flight is gate access. The 787 LA-Melb flight was an hour late the other day because they had to wait for the Sydney flight to leave before they could get a gate.
It is not always the ex-BNE QF15 that turns into QF11, it is often QF11 (ex-SYD).
It is my experience that as QF15 is the first to arrive it always is QF11. I've tested this a few times by leaving something in my seat and it still being there when departing for New York. I do recall a time maybe 5-8 years ago when QF 1 0 Late was the A330 from Auckland if I recall, before being moved back to the 747. Could Qantas leave a dedicated A330 to do the daily run between LAX and JFK? The plane could be fuelled, crewed and catered in LAX before QF15 lands and thus allow plenty of time to pack bags and load passengers from the connecting flights.
I hope you weren’t leaving any valuable just to test a proposition.
You and other posters are in my experience, quite correct though, it’s almost invariably the ex BNE QF15 flight that continues on to JFK.
I recall some years ago QF was still using a more dated 744 on the ex BNE route with the older Sky Bed Mk I product. This meant that you could fly in from SYD on an updated 744 or 380 and then find yourself on a dated 744 for the balance leg. Not sure if this was deliberate or I just got unlucky on a few occasions.
One of the knock on effects of the late NYC flight is gate access. The 787 LA-Melb flight was an hour late the other day because they had to wait for the Sydney flight to leave before they could get a gate.
That sounds interesting. I thought QF95 was scheduled into LAX at 19:00 and QF12 to depart at 22:30 so was 95 already 3.5 hours late?
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It is my experience that as QF15 is the first to arrive it always is QF11. I've tested this a few times by leaving something in my seat and it still being there when departing for New York. I do recall a time maybe 5-8 years ago when QF 1 0 Late was the A330 from Auckland if I recall, before being moved back to the 747. Could Qantas leave a dedicated A330 to do the daily run between LAX and JFK? The plane could be fuelled, crewed and catered in LAX before QF15 lands and thus allow plenty of time to pack bags and load passengers from the connecting flights.
QF 25 MEL-AKL-LAX, later SYD-AKL-LAX on an A330-200 :)
*pokes*
The old QF25, after they changed it from a 747, still went MEL-AKL-LAX. They however used a 737 for the MEL sector while the A330 came from SYD using the QF141 and QF114 flight numbers.
The 332 went 141-25-107-108-26-114 (SYD-AKL-LAX-JFK-LAX-AKL-SYD) ;)
The JFK sectors were changed back to a 747 after the AKL-LAX flight was pulled. At the time, the 747 could have come from BNE, SYD or MEL when SYD had the 2nd QF17/18 747 flight and MEL had the 3 weekly QF95/96 747 flight.
It will go to a 787 once the next two arrive anyway.
John Phelan
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Not "often" at all. It is very rare, and only occurs when QF15 is substantially delayed and if it's on a Tuesday - the one day of the week that QF11 is a 747. This might occur a few times per year, no more.
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BatteryBen
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To the OPs original point: I do QF 11/12 to JFK nearly every month and it is virtually never on time and I am used to allowing for it. The good thing is that, unlike delays on an AA alternative the qantas connection (in either direction) will always wait for the inbound. That’s not a bad thing.
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Holding the plane up could have lead to a loss of take off slot, and a much larger delay than what you have suggested. Hold for the 6 and potentially delay 300 + pax, or delay 6 and keep the majority of pax on time?
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Were your trips all on the one ticket?
John Phelan
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So your original connection only allowed for 30 minutes as a transit at SFO?? Really?
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One of the knock on effects of the late NYC flight is gate access. The 787 LA-Melb flight was an hour late the other day because they had to wait for the Sydney flight to leave before they could get a gate.
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It is my experience that as QF15 is the first to arrive it always is QF11. I've tested this a few times by leaving something in my seat and it still being there when departing for New York. I do recall a time maybe 5-8 years ago when QF 1 0 Late was the A330 from Auckland if I recall, before being moved back to the 747. Could Qantas leave a dedicated A330 to do the daily run between LAX and JFK? The plane could be fuelled, crewed and catered in LAX before QF15 lands and thus allow plenty of time to pack bags and load passengers from the connecting flights.
I hope you weren’t leaving any valuable just to test a proposition.
BatteryBen
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That sounds interesting. I thought QF95 was scheduled into LAX at 19:00 and QF12 to depart at 22:30 so was 95 already 3.5 hours late?