That would mostly depend if Qantas get their head around the fact that loyalty is a reciprocal process, as a business they will be relying on it, let's see what they give back.
As has been mentioned already, it's going to be interesting to see how COVID19 pans out globally.
We're lucky in Australia (and New Zealand) as we're islands. Makes containment and quarantine so much easier. Looking at the stats of covid19 globally, I think Australia and New Zealand will come out ok, but not the rest o the world.
So the question for our respective governments is, will they open up the boarders to countries that don't have 100% no cases and fully contained boarders? Imagine if they did, and after we finally get back to moving again, we start seeing cases coming in from o/s. They'd be crazy to risk it. Maybe enforcing 14 to 21 days self isolation in a hotel that the passenger has to pay for.
So, I see a time when there is very limited international flights, maybe Aus to NZ, or Aus to south pacific.
There will be an increase in domestic demand as people who would normally travel o/s for holidays fly domestically, but that would be replacing demand from people coming from o/s. So over all I think this hurts QF more than VA. VA and and QF could redeploy some widebodies domestically, by VAs 773s and QFs A380s would be too big. I also couldn't see QF utilising all their A33x's and 787s domestically, some sure, not all. Add in JQ and it's even a bigger mess. So that's a lot of expensive metal you're not getting any yield from.
While everyone is looking at VA wondering if they'll survive, I think we should be looking at QF.
1) qantas uses this crisis to get rid of all the old, cranky staff of their payroll and replace with younger who really care about their customers
2) qantas international loses lots of money so they outsource routes to other carriers. For example sydney Hong Kong they give to Cathay.
What do you think?
On my last 3 international flights it was the old cranky staff who gave the best service - your generalisation is a pretty severe insult to experienced Qantas crew
1) qantas uses this crisis to get rid of all the old, cranky staff of their payroll and replace with younger who really care about their customers
2) qantas international loses lots of money so they outsource routes to other carriers. For example sydney Hong Kong they give to Cathay.
What do you think?
This whole "Oh the old Qantas cabin crew are so cranky and pathetic, can't wait for them to be forced out... the young ones are so much better" is rubbish and an insult to all of Qantas including the super-star young ones.
The fact is Qantas cabin crew are humans - they have their good days, they have they're not so good days.
Leave the ageism at home - the audience here are beyond A Current Affair, Andrew Bolt style rubbish
Airlines and their operating model, business model are changed forever after COVID19 - Its worth remembering a plane is only in the sky because of business people and therefore business class travellers - everyone squeezed into economy down the back im afraid to say only barely just cover the fuel, airport costs, staff costs, etc - and with this situation many many companies will change who and how they let their employees travel in the future - without business travellers, every airline in the world is dead - which company is going to take the risk of saying to their workforce, now its OK to travel, even domestically, let alone internationally - the risk you might become infected or infect others will be too great - even when a vaccine is available to the mass public - and the massive social experiment underway now is proving that business can operate working remote with out traveling - sure some sales people, executives, etc will need to travel in the future, but nowhere near as many as before COVID19
Even with fuel pricing where they are today, a normal 777 or 787\350 is not profitable on any route without a majority filled business class - and if you ditch J altogether, economy prices will skyrocket - domestic or international - not to mention the knock on impact to freight costs and volumes now with less planes in the air
The state sponsored carriers will be the only survivors - Qatar, Emirates, Singapore, etc, etc - some of the big EU carriers partly govt owned maybe. some will be forced to consolidate - airlines worldwide were only just profitable before this crisis, it will take years to return - the sooner selected governments take control, the better, level the playing field and let the smaller players fail - however once the Governments have them, they wont let go of them in any rush..just look at AirNZ - hugely profitable, and still 50% controlled by NZGovt after all these years....
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That would mostly depend if Qantas get their head around the fact that loyalty is a reciprocal process, as a business they will be relying on it, let's see what they give back.
Jazzop
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As has been mentioned already, it's going to be interesting to see how COVID19 pans out globally.
We're lucky in Australia (and New Zealand) as we're islands. Makes containment and quarantine so much easier. Looking at the stats of covid19 globally, I think Australia and New Zealand will come out ok, but not the rest o the world.
So the question for our respective governments is, will they open up the boarders to countries that don't have 100% no cases and fully contained boarders? Imagine if they did, and after we finally get back to moving again, we start seeing cases coming in from o/s. They'd be crazy to risk it. Maybe enforcing 14 to 21 days self isolation in a hotel that the passenger has to pay for.
So, I see a time when there is very limited international flights, maybe Aus to NZ, or Aus to south pacific.
There will be an increase in domestic demand as people who would normally travel o/s for holidays fly domestically, but that would be replacing demand from people coming from o/s. So over all I think this hurts QF more than VA. VA and and QF could redeploy some widebodies domestically, by VAs 773s and QFs A380s would be too big. I also couldn't see QF utilising all their A33x's and 787s domestically, some sure, not all. Add in JQ and it's even a bigger mess. So that's a lot of expensive metal you're not getting any yield from.
While everyone is looking at VA wondering if they'll survive, I think we should be looking at QF.
markpk
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Member since 29 Nov 2013
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Originally Posted by jfk2004
I will make two predictions:
1) qantas uses this crisis to get rid of all the old, cranky staff of their payroll and replace with younger who really care about their customers
2) qantas international loses lots of money so they outsource routes to other carriers. For example sydney Hong Kong they give to Cathay.
What do you think?
markpk
markpk
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Member since 29 Nov 2013
Total posts 457
Originally Posted by jfk2004
I will make two predictions:
1) qantas uses this crisis to get rid of all the old, cranky staff of their payroll and replace with younger who really care about their customers
2) qantas international loses lots of money so they outsource routes to other carriers. For example sydney Hong Kong they give to Cathay.
What do you think?
The fact is Qantas cabin crew are humans - they have their good days, they have they're not so good days.
Leave the ageism at home - the audience here are beyond A Current Affair, Andrew Bolt style rubbish
daniesut
daniesut
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Member since 15 Sep 2016
Total posts 43
Airlines and their operating model, business model are changed forever after COVID19 - Its worth remembering a plane is only in the sky because of business people and therefore business class travellers - everyone squeezed into economy down the back im afraid to say only barely just cover the fuel, airport costs, staff costs, etc - and with this situation many many companies will change who and how they let their employees travel in the future - without business travellers, every airline in the world is dead - which company is going to take the risk of saying to their workforce, now its OK to travel, even domestically, let alone internationally - the risk you might become infected or infect others will be too great - even when a vaccine is available to the mass public - and the massive social experiment underway now is proving that business can operate working remote with out traveling - sure some sales people, executives, etc will need to travel in the future, but nowhere near as many as before COVID19
Even with fuel pricing where they are today, a normal 777 or 787\350 is not profitable on any route without a majority filled business class - and if you ditch J altogether, economy prices will skyrocket - domestic or international - not to mention the knock on impact to freight costs and volumes now with less planes in the air
The state sponsored carriers will be the only survivors - Qatar, Emirates, Singapore, etc, etc - some of the big EU carriers partly govt owned maybe. some will be forced to consolidate - airlines worldwide were only just profitable before this crisis, it will take years to return - the sooner selected governments take control, the better, level the playing field and let the smaller players fail - however once the Governments have them, they wont let go of them in any rush..just look at AirNZ - hugely profitable, and still 50% controlled by NZGovt after all these years....