Should we concerned that CX is about to go under or does anyone with any inside info know better? I currently have an award seat in J next year coming home from EU with them(QF ticketed), however the flight has been withdrawn from sale. Interestingly my flight still shows as confirmed and valid. Should I be searching elsewhere for a flight? Who's responsible if I loose the flight, QF or CX?
I have a similar situation that (I think) gives further insight into CX woes , I have 2 round trips booked with CX in J , both are showing as valid bookings in the “ Manage My Booking” portal on CX’s website , however one is withdrawn from sale and the other says fully booked for new bookings ( 4 months out from 1st leg) I suspect they are stopping additional new bookings and trying to either consolidate to look for alternatives rather than cancelling now . In your situation your points are safe enough but that’s not much use if u get a Points and tax refund 3 weeks out from your trip and left with no alternatives. U have to follow up with QF. Good luck
I have a similar situation that (I think) gives further insight into CX woes , I have 2 round trips booked with CX in J , both are showing as valid bookings in the “ Manage My Booking” portal on CX’s website , however one is withdrawn from sale and the other says fully booked for new bookings ( 4 months out from 1st leg) I suspect they are stopping additional new bookings and trying to either consolidate to look for alternatives rather than cancelling now . In your situation your points are safe enough but that’s not much use if u get a Points and tax refund 3 weeks out from your trip and left with no alternatives. U have to follow up with QF. Good luck
Tried and only got QF attitude; i.e. that the flight is still valid and they can't (won't)do anything.
There is plenty of press around the impact of COVID on CX (and other airlines). Does this mean they are on the 'nose'? No real idea but suggest asking the chair of the Swire Group who are the largest shareholder of CX (45%) followed by Air China (29.99%) and Qatar Airways (9.99%). Interestingly CX also owns 18.13% of Air China...
Basically the international air business for both travel and freight is still in a lot of pain and so CX continues to reduce flights both proactively and through enforced reductions caused by a range of travel restrictions across many countries.
Will CX go broke...or rather will the owners want to keep a poor performing asset? Interesting question...but Swire is a major conglomerate with fingers in many pies.
However, on the ticketing side and with experience from Ansett, you may lose your points as your flight is actually with CX even though QF flight code, if the flight is cancelled or CX disappears...
I've said on this site before I think Cathay is finished. Swire should shut down the airline immediately to try and force the hand of the Chinese govt to allow less restrictive quarantine conditions on their pilots and crew. I fear that the govt. though would be happy for Cathay to fail and have the Chinese Airlines pick up that market. Other airlines have lost billions and are starting to recover and make money again. But Cathay are still in the losing billions phase with no end in sight. I predict they'll be gone by mid year. If I was sitting on a stack of Cathay points I'd be pretty worried.
Swire have a lot more at stake than an airline. If HK loses its status as a business and shopping hub then their property portfolio valuation would be hit by billions of dollars. So they would be very hesitant to send any signal that would trigger such a perception unless there is no other option.
I don't think CX is about to collapse, but I think it's in sort of an Etihad mode where it will need to "shrink to survive" unless Hong Kong does a complete turnaround on its "Covid Zero" stance and decides it has to learn to live with Covid. And I don't see that happening unless China decides to do the exact same thing. And I don't see that happening at all. If Hong Kong opens up to international travel in the second half of the year then Cathay can come back for HK travel as well as transits but I think the post-Covid Cathay will simply have to be smaller, fewer flights, a smaller fleet etc. Very very sad!
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Joe
Joe
Member since 03 May 2013
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Should we concerned that CX is about to go under or does anyone with any inside info know better? I currently have an award seat in J next year coming home from EU with them(QF ticketed), however the flight has been withdrawn from sale. Interestingly my flight still shows as confirmed and valid. Should I be searching elsewhere for a flight? Who's responsible if I loose the flight, QF or CX?
EPC
EPC
Member since 12 Oct 2018
Total posts 8
I have a similar situation that (I think) gives further insight into CX woes , I have 2 round trips booked with CX in J , both are showing as valid bookings in the “ Manage My Booking” portal on CX’s website , however one is withdrawn from sale and the other says fully booked for new bookings ( 4 months out from 1st leg) I suspect they are stopping additional new bookings and trying to either consolidate to look for alternatives rather than cancelling now . In your situation your points are safe enough but that’s not much use if u get a Points and tax refund 3 weeks out from your trip and left with no alternatives. U have to follow up with QF. Good luck
Joe
Joe
Member since 03 May 2013
Total posts 189
Originally Posted by EPC
I have a similar situation that (I think) gives further insight into CX woes , I have 2 round trips booked with CX in J , both are showing as valid bookings in the “ Manage My Booking” portal on CX’s website , however one is withdrawn from sale and the other says fully booked for new bookings ( 4 months out from 1st leg) I suspect they are stopping additional new bookings and trying to either consolidate to look for alternatives rather than cancelling now . In your situation your points are safe enough but that’s not much use if u get a Points and tax refund 3 weeks out from your trip and left with no alternatives. U have to follow up with QF. Good luck
Clancy
Clancy
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
Member since 31 Jan 2016
Total posts 79
There is plenty of press around the impact of COVID on CX (and other airlines). Does this mean they are on the 'nose'? No real idea but suggest asking the chair of the Swire Group who are the largest shareholder of CX (45%) followed by Air China (29.99%) and Qatar Airways (9.99%). Interestingly CX also owns 18.13% of Air China...
Basically the international air business for both travel and freight is still in a lot of pain and so CX continues to reduce flights both proactively and through enforced reductions caused by a range of travel restrictions across many countries.
Will CX go broke...or rather will the owners want to keep a poor performing asset? Interesting question...but Swire is a major conglomerate with fingers in many pies.
However, on the ticketing side and with experience from Ansett, you may lose your points as your flight is actually with CX even though QF flight code, if the flight is cancelled or CX disappears...
hakkinen5
hakkinen5
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
Member since 20 Aug 2014
Total posts 207
I've said on this site before I think Cathay is finished. Swire should shut down the airline immediately to try and force the hand of the Chinese govt to allow less restrictive quarantine conditions on their pilots and crew. I fear that the govt. though would be happy for Cathay to fail and have the Chinese Airlines pick up that market. Other airlines have lost billions and are starting to recover and make money again. But Cathay are still in the losing billions phase with no end in sight. I predict they'll be gone by mid year. If I was sitting on a stack of Cathay points I'd be pretty worried.
russh7
russh7
Member since 22 Sep 2017
Total posts 9
Swire have a lot more at stake than an airline. If HK loses its status as a business and shopping hub then their property portfolio valuation would be hit by billions of dollars. So they would be very hesitant to send any signal that would trigger such a perception unless there is no other option.
hakkinen5
hakkinen5
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
Member since 20 Aug 2014
Total posts 207
As per todays article "Cathay Pacific suspends all Australian flights following HK ban" seems I'm right.
Tony Boyd
Tony Boyd
Member since 07 May 2015
Total posts 10
I don't think CX is about to collapse, but I think it's in sort of an Etihad mode where it will need to "shrink to survive" unless Hong Kong does a complete turnaround on its "Covid Zero" stance and decides it has to learn to live with Covid. And I don't see that happening unless China decides to do the exact same thing. And I don't see that happening at all. If Hong Kong opens up to international travel in the second half of the year then Cathay can come back for HK travel as well as transits but I think the post-Covid Cathay will simply have to be smaller, fewer flights, a smaller fleet etc. Very very sad!