IASC approved one Haneda slot to Qantas. They said they would likely add another frequency to Sydney to Haneda. Overall, the cancellation was because the route was not making any money and the aircraft could be used elsewhere. Alan Joyce's leadership in Qantas has meant focusing on profitable markets and if they aren't profitable, they get the cut. Conversely, Shanghai seems to be doing well for Qantas because it attracts more business travellers. Sometimes flying to the largest cities and captial cities don't work.
Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.
Last editedby OZjames70 at Nov 13, 2019, 05:39 PM.
I think you will find they are in terms of filling enough business seats each day. I thought they may try the new Beijing airport with a better slot time but it seems Haneda might be more valuable. They may shift an A380 to Narita.
IASC approved one Haneda slot to Qantas. They said they would likely add another frequency to Sydney to Haneda. Overall, the cancellation was because the route was not making any money and the aircraft could be used elsewhere. Alan Joyce's leadership in Qantas has meant focusing on profitable markets and if they aren't profitable, they get the cut. Conversely, Shanghai seems to be doing well for Qantas because it attracts more business travellers. Sometimes flying to the largest cities and captial cities don't work.
Based on the timing of the removal of the service, I'm guessing they wanted the aircraft for the new Haneda service.
The removal of the service at this time also coincides with the end of the Northern Hemisphere's winter timetable.
True,
But reflecting on it a bit more, there also the 747 services to consider. They're heading for retirement. End of the day, I am not sure that the A330 will be used to introduce a new service.
Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.
Last editedby OZjames70 at Nov 13, 2019, 05:39 PM.
Basically very minimal (if any) business demand to support the largely low yielding VFR (Visiting Family Relatives) and budget tourists/backpackers which makes up the majority of loads on flights to KUL and India. Hence why a long-haul LCC would suit most of the low yielding/"budget" nature of those routes.
The fact that JQ also tried SYD-KUL and had to pull out due to low loads and low yield suggests that KUL is not a viable destination for QF's full service offerings.
Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.
Last editedby OZjames70 at Nov 13, 2019, 05:39 PM.
I'm not sure why you think otherwise?
Probably because the aircraft used on these routes are very Y-heavy in their configuration i.e. AI has 18J and 238Y on SYD-DEL, so definitely low yield.
timothyshears
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With Qantas cutting there Beijing service, will we see a new Qantas Asian destination?
E.G.
Sydney - Dehli
Sydney - Kuala Lumpur
Sydney - Seoul
Sydney - Ho Chin Minh
or one these destinations from Melbourne/Brisbane/Perth
sid
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Sydney - Dehli - low yield
Sydney - Kuala Lumpur - low yield
Sydney - Seoul - no local partner
Sydney - Ho Chin Minh - low yield
My guess is more Hawaii or Japan.
brinkers
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Based on the timing of the removal of the service, I'm guessing they wanted the aircraft for the new Haneda service.
jaseeee
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They might need the A330 to do a double daily service from SYD-HND (if they pick it over MEL).
planesa380
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Originally Posted by sid
Sydney - Dehli - low yield
Sydney - Kuala Lumpur - low yield
Sydney - Seoul - no local partner
Sydney - Ho Chin Minh - low yield
My guess is more Hawaii or Japan.
Qantas has korean partner: Asiana Airlines (OZ)
SYD to ICN QF367 operated as OZ602
pkjames
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I often see great J award availability from both Korean airlines, suggesting the business demand is low. Looks like they may need to 330 for HND?
djtech
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IASC approved one Haneda slot to Qantas. They said they would likely add another frequency to Sydney to Haneda. Overall, the cancellation was because the route was not making any money and the aircraft could be used elsewhere. Alan Joyce's leadership in Qantas has meant focusing on profitable markets and if they aren't profitable, they get the cut. Conversely, Shanghai seems to be doing well for Qantas because it attracts more business travellers. Sometimes flying to the largest cities and captial cities don't work.
oxy
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Originally Posted by brinkers
Based on the timing of the removal of the service, I'm guessing they wanted the aircraft for the new Haneda service.
The removal of the service at this time also coincides with the end of the Northern Hemisphere's winter timetable.
OZjames70
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Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.
patrickk
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Originally Posted by OZjames70
Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.
I think you will find they are in terms of filling enough business seats each day. I thought they may try the new Beijing airport with a better slot time but it seems Haneda might be more valuable. They may shift an A380 to Narita.
markpk
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Originally Posted by djtech
IASC approved one Haneda slot to Qantas. They said they would likely add another frequency to Sydney to Haneda. Overall, the cancellation was because the route was not making any money and the aircraft could be used elsewhere. Alan Joyce's leadership in Qantas has meant focusing on profitable markets and if they aren't profitable, they get the cut. Conversely, Shanghai seems to be doing well for Qantas because it attracts more business travellers. Sometimes flying to the largest cities and captial cities don't work.
It's kind of Business 101 isn't it..!
brinkers
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Originally Posted by oxy
Originally Posted by brinkers
Based on the timing of the removal of the service, I'm guessing they wanted the aircraft for the new Haneda service.
True,
But reflecting on it a bit more, there also the 747 services to consider. They're heading for retirement. End of the day, I am not sure that the A330 will be used to introduce a new service.
DanV
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Originally Posted by OZjames70
Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.
Basically very minimal (if any) business demand to support the largely low yielding VFR (Visiting Family Relatives) and budget tourists/backpackers which makes up the majority of loads on flights to KUL and India. Hence why a long-haul LCC would suit most of the low yielding/"budget" nature of those routes.
The fact that JQ also tried SYD-KUL and had to pull out due to low loads and low yield suggests that KUL is not a viable destination for QF's full service offerings.
hutch
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Originally Posted by OZjames70
Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.
I'm not sure why you think otherwise?
ZQN Fan
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Originally Posted by hutch
Originally Posted by OZjames70
Interesting that people think Sydney - Dehli and Sydney - Kuala Lumpur are low yield.
Probably because the aircraft used on these routes are very Y-heavy in their configuration i.e. AI has 18J and 238Y on SYD-DEL, so definitely low yield.