It would make sense that QANTAS has 30 options (and 15 purchase rights) for 787 for them to take all of them, as they were bought at the start and was nice and cheap. I would think long-term, that the 787 would replace the A330 East/West, and Triangle (MEL, SYD, BRIS) and into Asia. They currently have 28 A330's....they have another
They could then use the A350 for other long and thin routes.
I don't see the one stop to LHR a big winner as more and more airlines are going Point to Point.
If only Qantas had taken the original planned order. 115 aircraft in a mix of firm orders, options and rights before they started defiring and cancelling until the JQ fleet was the last of the oringal firm orders and the first 5 options.
For those following this thread, QF now saying it wants higher passenger load capability out of the A350ULR or the Boeing 777-8 if it goes that way, putting the ball back into the court of Airbus and Boeing to make this theirs to win.
QF alone wouldn't have enough buying power to convince them to do that. They would need other customers as well. If Emirates can't convince Airbus to do an A380neo then QF may struggle to get this idea up. I'm sure eventually there will be viable options for flying direct to LHR and JFK but in just 5 years? That may be a bit ambitious.
QF alone wouldn't have enough buying power to convince them to do that. They would need other customers as well. If Emirates can't convince Airbus to do an A380neo then QF may struggle to get this idea up. I'm sure eventually there will be viable options for flying direct to LHR and JFK but in just 5 years? That may be a bit ambitious.
The fact that Boeing built the 747-400ER because Qantas, and only Qantas, asked for it would suggest otherwise.
I wonder whether QF has considered alternatives in the event that the manufacturers don't play ball.
Such as say SYD-DRW-LHR and SYD-AKL-JFK but purely as a splash'n'go. You still have the advantage of a long flight segment which lets passengers plan their rest better, and don't have the usual 2-3hrs at a stand for full catering and cleaning. (Could also do other stops but you'd lose the benefit of the long segment)
If a stop en route to JFK is still needed, then SYD-HNL-JFK is better instead of AKL.
Get 2 shorter flights instead of one long and then a shorter leg.
But per US regulations, you'd have to clear US customs/immigration at HNL (port of first US entry) which slows the whole thing down. (Unless the US decides to expand pre-clearance to Australian ports.)
Always have to wonder about the comfort of economy on those ultra long flights though.
Well, if this is a problem, Qantas will not fit Economy into them, just like what SQ did, business and premium economy only.
The problem is, SQ A350-900ULR only suits corporate-paid flyers since there's bunch of other airlines offers cheaper premium economy, even business class.
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If only Qantas had taken the original planned order. 115 aircraft in a mix of firm orders, options and rights before they started defiring and cancelling until the JQ fleet was the last of the oringal firm orders and the first 5 options.
DeepAvThroat
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For those following this thread, QF now saying it wants higher passenger load capability out of the A350ULR or the Boeing 777-8 if it goes that way, putting the ball back into the court of Airbus and Boeing to make this theirs to win.
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-non-stop-sydney-melbourne-to-london-new-york-by-2022
mviy
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QF alone wouldn't have enough buying power to convince them to do that. They would need other customers as well.
If Emirates can't convince Airbus to do an A380neo then QF may struggle to get this idea up.
I'm sure eventually there will be viable options for flying direct to LHR and JFK but in just 5 years? That may be a bit ambitious.
Himeno
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If Emirates can't convince Airbus to do an A380neo then QF may struggle to get this idea up.
I'm sure eventually there will be viable options for flying direct to LHR and JFK but in just 5 years? That may be a bit ambitious.
The fact that Boeing built the 747-400ER because Qantas, and only Qantas, asked for it would suggest otherwise.
mviy
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There was a freighter version of the 747-400ER though. Would there be a freighter version of a new ultra long haul plane?
moa999
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I wonder whether QF has considered alternatives in the event that the manufacturers don't play ball.
Such as say SYD-DRW-LHR and SYD-AKL-JFK but purely as a splash'n'go.
You still have the advantage of a long flight segment which lets passengers plan their rest better, and don't have the usual 2-3hrs at a stand for full catering and cleaning. (Could also do other stops but you'd lose the benefit of the long segment)
Madhatter49
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If a stop en route to JFK is still needed, then SYD-HNL-JFK is better instead of AKL.
OzMikado
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But per US regulations, you'd have to clear US customs/immigration at HNL (port of first US entry) which slows the whole thing down. (Unless the US decides to expand pre-clearance to Australian ports.)
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