Virgin, Alliance partnership to keep regional routes flying
Some 40 regional routes across Australia will be covered under the new Virgin-Alliance partnership.
By David Flynn, April 9 2021
Virgin Australia and Alliance Airlines have received the green light from the consumer watchdog to expand their partnership to cover 41 regional domestic routes and two short-range international routes.
This will pave the way for Virgin to re-establish a number of regional routes which it has suspended or withdrawn, including Sydney-Canberra, which is now flown by newcomer Rex alongside Qantas.
In its original application to the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission, Virgin noted its 176-seat Boeing 737s "are not appropriate or cost efficient to operate a number of the relevant routes."
Virgin also cited its shift under new owners Bain Capital "to an all-Boeing 737 mainline fleet" and the removal of its ATR turboprops as creating a hole in the airline's regional footprint.
Fleet shuffle
In a statement issued in response to today's ACCC's decision, Virgin said the Alliance tie-up "will enable the redeployment of some of its Boeing 737 fleet to high-density routes across the airline’s domestic network."
Approving a two-year partnership through to March 31 2023, the ACCC said it was "likely to result in a public benefit by promoting competition on certain regional and short haul international routes."
"Virgin Australia and Alliance are proposing to coordinate their operations to enable them to better manage capacity and respond to changes in demand over the next two years as the aviation industry recovers from the COVID-19 pandemic."
Virgin and Alliance previously held a codeshare relationship on several routes from Brisbane.
However, Virgin says it "has no current plans to utilise Alliance Airlines on routes within Western Australia", where its own VARA regional arm is based.
Alliance runs flies with the foxes and hounds
Brisbane-based Alliance Airlines is 20% owned by Qantas, which has also inked an agreement to fly Alliance's Embraer E190 jets on selected regional routes.
The 'wet lease' agreement – under which Alliance will also crew the aircraft – will initially cover three of Alliance's E-jets, with scope to expand to a total of 14 depending on market conditions.
Qantas expects to schedule the Alliance E190s from June 2021 on routes such as Adelaide–Alice Springs, Darwin–Alice Springs and Darwin–Adelaide, as the first three E-jets will be based in Adelaide and Darwin.
The Qantas Boeing 737s which currently fly these routes will be relocated to other parts of the domestic Qantas network in what the airline describes as an ongoing ‘right aircraft, right route’ approach.
"The E190 is a perfect mid-size regional jet for routes like these ones in northern Australia," says QantasLink CEO John Gissing.
"It has longer range than our 717s and it’s about half the size of our 737s, which means the economics work well on longer flights between cities and towns outside of the top five population centres."
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Some 40 regional routes have been earmarked in an application to the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission for increased cooperation between the two carriers, who already enjoy a codeshare relationship on several routes from Brisbane.
Almost half of the routes cited spear out from Brisbane and Cairns, including two short-range international legs to Port Moresby and Honiara.
Also listed in the ACCC proposal are:
- Sydney to Canberra, Albury, Ayers Rock, Coffs Harbour, Port Macquarie, Tamworth
- Melbourne to Canberra, Mildura and Newcastle
- Adelaide to Canberra, Alice Springs and Olympic Dam
- Perth to Boulder, Kalgoorlie, Karratha, Kununurra, Newman, Onslow and Port Hedland
In its pitch to the ACCC, Virgin cites its shift under Bain "to an all-Boeing 737 mainline fleet" and the removal of its ATR turboprops as potentially creating a hole in the airline's regional footprint.
The 176-seat Boeing 737s "are not appropriate or cost efficient to operate a number of the relevant routes," Virgin notes.
This includes runway limitations at some Queensland destinations such as Cloncurry, Emerald, Moranbah and Weipa.
In addition, "regional New South Wales routes between Sydney and Port Macquarie, Tamworth and Albury have insufficient demand to be viably serviced with a Boeing 737 aircraft."
"Post administration, Virgin Australia is very likely to cancel loss- making routes," the application flags
"Virgin Australia remains committed to servicing these routes in the future, even though it may be unable to operate them itself" – which is where Alliance stands to fill the gap.
Alliance Airlines CEO Lee Schofield sees new potential as Virgin's regional partner.
Virgin says it has ruled out the Fokker F100s of its own WA-based regional arm as "for operational and network reasons could not be deployed on the east coast."
Alliance Airlines' fleet of Fokker 50s, 70s and 100s is considered as "right-sized" for the nominated routes, with the addition of 14 Embraer E190 jets – the same type which Virgin used to fly until 2018 – offering further scope once they take wing in the first quarter of 2021.
"The current view is that we have a need for around four E190s upfront," Alliance Airlines CEO Lee Schofield told Executive Traveller in August, "but during the course of the 2021 financial year is when we'd expect to bring most, if not all of them in."
Schofield expects that Alliance's E190s could end up flying in a number of "slightly different configurations", including an all-economy layout and a two-cabin version with business class.
"We do like to have a bit of variability in the cabin configuration, and also we like to have the ability to change the interior configuration even while we are in service.”
Read more: Alliance embraces the Embraer E190
While the ACCC assesses this proposed two-year partnership with Alliance, it also continues to weigh up Qantas' interest in expanding its current 19.9% stake in the Brisbane-based carrier to what Qantas has described as "taking a majority position in Alliance Airlines in order to better serve the charter market by unlocking synergies."
"We view that as a compliment, as you expect, (but) we don't have any direct dealings with Qantas,' Schofield told Executive Traveller.
"The ACCC obviously expressed some concerns about that but from day one, we said 'Our role is just to get on with running a business'... and that's exactly what we have done, kept our head down and focused on running our own business successfully."
"Things that we can't control – like COVID, like an ACCC process, like a potential takeover – they'll resolve themselves one way or another."
David Flynn is the Editor-in-Chief of Executive Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.
QF
11 Jul 2014
Total posts 1010
What an interesting concept Qantas owning a majority of Alliance and Alliance supplying services to Virgin.
Compare it to Beetroot from Edgell made at Golden Circles factory under a different formula and both opposition companies had 98% market share combined. One day someone decided on a manufacturing price increase for the Edgell product?
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
04 Nov 2017
Total posts 348
Qantas only owns a 20% stake in Alliance. Hardly a majority considering Super Annuation companies across Australia owns between 5-15% stakes each in Alliance as well.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
28 Oct 2011
Total posts 467
What UpUpAndAway is referring to is the paragraph where Qantas says it is interested in taking up a majority ownership of Alliance in the future.
24 Aug 2011
Total posts 1207
QF has zero chance of getting ACCC approval to move to control of Alliance Airlines due to the effect such a move would have on both regional and FIFO competition. It cannot even get a board seat. At some point, it will have to decide whether this investment makes sense or whether the cash could be better used elsewhere.
08 Feb 2018
Total posts 166
both Kalgoorlie AND Boulder??!
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
04 Mar 2014
Total posts 204
Land directly into the super pit
24 Aug 2011
Total posts 1207
It is quite unlikely that Qantas will gain ACCC approval to acquire any more of Alliance. ACCC is concerned about virtual monopoly in both regional and FIFO operations and the potential damage that could do to the economy.
Qantas will, at some stage, have to decide whether it continues to hold its Alliance shareholding despite being unable to influence the business at all. To date, the investment has been profitable but, given the damage caused by Covid, it is likely the cash could be better used than in a passive investment.
17 Jun 2020
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VirginLink
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
13 Jan 2018
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...or another aviation favourite, "VirginConnect"
13 May 2020
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wonder what aircraft Alliance would use on Sydney/Albury ?
Be nice if it was a jet. They could then possibly switch between an 80 seater F70 & 100 seater F100, depending on demand. (not sure how many seats there'll be in the "new" E190s)
Then choice of Virgin jet or qantaslink or rex turboprop.
28 Aug 2020
Total posts 3
Interesting that Virgin sent their EJets back to the lessors because they weren't economical to run yet here we have Alliance using the Ejets on Virgin's regional routes. Makes you wonder why Virgin couldn't make the Ejets work for them.
24 Aug 2011
Total posts 1207
It's called cost of capital. VA bought or leased its E-jets factory fresh where the unit cost was probably around USD40M after discount. QQ has taken advantage of the Covid crisis and bought its secondhand E190 fleet as distressed assets and has only paid USD73M for the entire fleet including spares.
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
24 Jan 2018
Total posts 767
And some, intending it as a backhanded compliment, would call the deal negotiated by QQ as 'theft' !! QQ has done well, and will continue to do so.
Thai Airways International - Royal Orchid Plus
15 Jan 2013
Total posts 458
it makes sense for the most part but will some people choose one of these planes of questionable age on the same sectors over say a qantas or virgin 737 if the option exists.
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
24 Aug 2011
Total posts 780
Age is nothing. QF got almost 30 years from some 747s. TU-154s were still flying in the former Eastern bloc before COVID. It is the maintenance that counts.
09 May 2020
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While VA may have preexisting contract with mining companies, and FIFO workers may use VA in previous lifetime for the FF scheme and status credit to access lounge services at lower threshold, all these considerations may very well be out of the question in the makeover of the new airline with very different products.
Why doesnt Alliance simply boost its presences in those FIFO shuttle and aim to get hold of mining contracts (the mining companies may not like what new products and prices new Bain-VA may offer) rather than deal with Bain’s potentially very different and unknown corporate culture including payment structure for charter services?
Just a stupid question from an armchair commentator?
13 May 2020
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a nonstop jet service between Brisbane & Albury has worked in the past (doesn't have to be daily). With choice of 3 jets, Alliance can match size of jet to demand.
13 May 2020
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think most of Alliances profit come from Fifo, not fifo via Virgin.
09 Sep 2020
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For whatever reason can V mk 2 honestly tell the public when do they anticipate going Intetnational Long Haul and be honest about, 2, 3 or 4 years .
08 May 2020
Total posts 86
One Day Queensland have to open the Border, until such time air travel in Australia is in a bloody mess. Still a mystery that the Queensland Gov invested a couple hundred Million Dollars in an Airline and strangle them to do business. Once the State Borders are all open again Qantas, Jet S, Virgin, Alliance & Rex may become more clear how they will operate in future and survive.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
04 Nov 2017
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Queensland borders are open to all except Greater Sydney and Victoria. They just opened to regional NSW.
09 Sep 2020
Total posts 13
More I looked into this I found sonething weird with this Alliance/Virgin compact. Alliance Airlines is part of the QANTAS empire, as QANTAS is a major stockholder of Alliance , go figure
24 Aug 2011
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Alliance is not a part of the QF empire at all. QF has 20% shareholding but is unlikely to ever get competition approval to move beyond that level. QF has no management influence and is not able to claim a board seat. Currently, its investment is purely passive which is not sustainable and, at some point, QF will probably sell down and take profits.
19 Jun 2020
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According to Davids recent article, Rex say they have 40% of their regional customers fly interstate once they arrive in the main airports and they want to tap into this business at the expense of others (although they say they are not targeting them). by flinging the main Sydney Melb/Bris routes as well with 737's. If Virgin and Alliance get this model done then that would make it harder fro Rex as they would then be competing for the two sector domestic market with the new alliance
01 Aug 2019
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So I gather Mackay will no longer see a VA branded aircraft and part of reason why they close the lounge as well
13 May 2020
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why is Alliance able to offer per seat costs lower than Virgin ?
Super cheap aircraft, lower wages, less staff per aircraft ???
Perhaps more airlines should be following the Alliance business model ?
24 Aug 2011
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Alliance operates within its niche very well. It knows it is structured to operate regional and FIFO services and can do so very profitably. It also understands that getting involved in mainline services is not a profitable option given the dominance of Qantas and Virgin on these routes. Its business model makes so much more sense than the doomed approach Rex is taking.
13 May 2020
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revo
disagree completely.
Alliance obviously has costs under control.
Fokker jets might be thirsty, but cost nothing, so don't need to fly them hard.
Rex is leasing ex Virgin jets for cents in the dollar, so their costs are going to be low & with less staff per aircraft on lower wages, doing more.
I'm never going to fly Qantas or Virgin SYD/MEL at 7am on Monday morning if Rex is $300, Virgin $400 & Qantas $500.
Lower costs let you sell lower fares.
17 Apr 2013
Total posts 11
DO YOU THINK THEY WILL PAINT SOME OF ALLIANCES E190's into VIRGIN AUST LIVERY? It would be great to see the E190 in Virgin Australia colours again.
Would be nice to see the E190 back in Canberra and other thinner routes along the way. :)
31 Mar 2014
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Why are you yelling?
13 May 2020
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why would they spend $1 on paint, especially when same aircraft might be doing flights that are not for virgin.
21 Apr 2017
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It will be interesting to see Alliance's rates, because they are excessive. I routinely fly Adelaide to Olympic Dam for business and the fares range from $237-$484 one way. You can never get the cheap fare so fares range from $650-980 return. This of course includes a bottle of water and nothing else. I pay because I have to, but their fares are a rip off for 500kl trip.
13 May 2020
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virgin had a sales fare last week of $89 BNE/SYD to be booked a long way in advance.
Right now Jetstar doing BNE/MEL return from $122 (no bags)
24 Aug 2011
Total posts 1207
Don't understand the comparison.
Booked travel for work colleague today for BNE trip in early December (fingers crossed it happens). VA was $399 return, JQ was $396 with bags. We took VA. QF are not offering direct MEL-BNE as yet so they weren't considered....I hope they don't know something I don't!!!
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
06 Jul 2020
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Any clarification around whether you will be able to earn Velocity points and status credits if you fly on Alliance as a code-share with VA? Or do you have to book directly with a VA flight number?
24 Aug 2011
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I believe you have to book flight with a VA flight number to get points and SCs.
13 May 2020
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just got an email from Pionair based in Sydney & their fleet seems to have grown quite quickly. Wonder if they will do any flying for Virgin ?
It seems they now have 10 x BAE146s (some are freighters, some quick change between freighters & passenger aircraft & some pure passenger aircraft up to 97 seats) & 2 & E190s (think they are managing 1 x E190-E2 for Air Kiribati).
A few of the 146s are operating for Qantas freight.
All aircraft are registered in Australia & so can do domestic or international charters.
146s are not subject to SYD curfew apparently as so quiet.
https://www.pionair.com.au/our-fleet
18 Mar 2021
Total posts 67
More positive news for VA, Alliance is a great operator I'm always keen to fly with them. I remember the TAA milk run from Brisbane up the coast in the twin engine Fokker Friendships and a recent trip last year pre-covid from Brisbane in a Fokker Jet and I thought amazing how quick was that compared to the old days not that I complained about being on a plane for so long.
13 May 2020
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now that Qantaslink will be flying BNE/OOM why don't Alliance do it in a jet for Virgin ? & BNE/ABX maybe, which was daily with Jetgo I think using 36-44 seater jets.
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
21 Aug 2013
Total posts 138
Reminds me of an equivalent situation back in my time as a commercial sales exec at AN, when I asked one of the agency reps about where a particular travel agency’s allegiances lay - :
“They’re Ansett-preferred, but they walk the streets at night with Qantas...”
08 May 2020
Total posts 86
A merger between REX and Alliances would have made more sense than REX trying to compete with Qantas & Virgin on cutthroat markets. These 2 companies could rule all the Link air traffic of Country to the major City Hubs.
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