Singapore Airlines' first Boeing 787-10 to fly early 2018
Singapore Airlines is counting down to the arrival of the new Boeing 787-10, the largest member of the Dreamliner family.
The keys to the first 787-10 are expected to be handed over in the first few months of 2018, with a second to follow shortly after.
The jet has already been fitted with Singapore Airlines' all-new regional business class seats, which the Star Alliance member is keeping under the tightest of wraps.
Update: Australian Business Traveller scores the scoop on Singapore Airlines' new Boeing 787-10 regional business class seat.
The lie-flat seats will showcase a fresh design from Airbus-owned cabin interiors specialist Stelia Aerospace, with Singapore Airlines having opted for a staggered configuration – similar to that of the Qantas Business Suite, among many others – where each seat dovetails into the ones in front and behind.
Read more: Here is Singapore Airlines' new Boeing 787-10 business class seat The Singaporean flag-carrier is the prestigious worldwide launch customer for the 787-10 – a stretched, higher-headcount but shorter-range member of the Dreamliner family – with 49 of the aircraft on order. The Boeing 787-10s will be used to replace the older Boeing 777-200s as well as expand the fleet overall. Singapore Airlines has earmarked the Dreamliners for medium-range routes – which in SQ parlance means flights up to eight hours, a span which encompasses all of its Australian services. "Deployment plans for these aircraft are still being finalised and destinations will be announced in due course," the Singapore Airlines spokesman said.
24 Aug 2011
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When will SQ disclose how they are configuring Y class on their 78Js? Will they follow other airlines and cram in 9 abreast or go with the much more comfortable 8 abreast that Boeing originally planned for 787s but only Japan Airlines adopted?
15 Dec 2015
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There is no way SQ would willingly throw away the potential revenue that would come from going 9-across.
24 Aug 2011
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The greatest threat to the established Asian players are LCCs and Chinese carriers. If your product is not superior to those carriers, you are trapped because you can only compete on price and they are able to be beat you every time on this measure.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
17 Aug 2012
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But SQ Y class will not be the same as Scoot.
Even at nine-abreast on the B787, the SQ Y hard product will be superior, because of the things that have been excluded from the Scoot seats, e.g. adjustable winged headrests, foot nets, etc. When you take this into account, and the likely greater seat pitch, you end up with a seat that may be the same width but is a lot more comfortable, particularly for a lot of their Asian passengers who aren't actually very big by Western standards.
The difference in hard and soft product is certainly the key differentiator between SQ and Scoot. That's why they've gutted the Scoot product of all the frills, even the ones that made it onto the JQ B787.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
06 Apr 2011
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I'd pay the extra to have daylight flights MEL-SIN-MEL & I suggest I'm not the only older person who would do so
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
17 Aug 2012
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Yes--that's why SQ run them.
31 Mar 2016
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@reeves35:
24 Oct 2010
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I don't expect we will hear anything on SQ's 787-10 seats – be they in business class or economy – until early 2018, barring either a leak or anything the execs are willing to share during the Nov2 launch of the new A380 first class suites... and SQ execs are notoriously tight-lipped!
17 Sep 2015
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This article doesn't disclose much given that the great bulk of passengers (including many corporate travellers) have to put up with cattle class.
Air New Zealand - Airpoints
21 Jan 2016
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Hi Traveller 14
What is it that you don't like about the B787? I found it a better aircraft to the B777's that is currently being used in the Australasian/Asia region.
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
19 Feb 2014
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The advertising of the 787 has been abused, and Qantas is doing very well to polish something which isn't as good as an A350, both from an airline perspective, and a passenger perspective.
The 787 was designed as a 7-across aircraft, but nearly every airline has opted to squeeze in an extra seat, with customers lead to believe that it's normal. It's barely any better than a 777.
24 Oct 2010
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we'll share more info on SQ's Boeing 787-10 seating configuration as soon as we get it.
17 Sep 2015
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I don't like being squeezed in nine-across when as reeves35 pointed out above, the design should be eight-across in economy class.
Asiana Airlines - Asiana Club
09 Feb 2017
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Never understood the point of SQ ordering this product when they have so many A359s on order and could simply fly the A35-10 instead. The 8-abreast cattle class is too wide and the 9-abreast will be too narrow on the 787; they'll need to re-customise it (for more cost) to compensate for the cabin width. It'd be the same issue on their business class. The added cost of operating two aircraft types with similar ranges and capacities, and having to modify their cabin products for the different cabin widths, doesn't make sense from an economic or customer standpoint.
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
06 Sep 2012
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The A350 has more range and will be utilised for long haul routes. The 787-10 will most likely be used for high capacity low-medium routes where it is more economic than the A350.
27 Jan 2016
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Having flown Etihad's 787 in Y from BNE it was comfortable enough. If these planes are destined for legs up to 8 hours it would be tough for SQ to overlook 9 abreast. It is interesting when looking on seat guru there is only 0.3 of an inch width that separates EY 787 (17.2), QF 747 (17.5) and JAL 787 with 8 abreast (17.5). Is there a disrepancy to how they measure pitch, or do the other configurations just have more space between the seats?
Virgin Australia - Velocity Rewards
19 Feb 2014
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Usually the width of the cabins is compromised and you'll notice the arm rests are becoming narrower too.
Qantas
19 Apr 2012
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I can see QF going to the 78-10 to replace the A333 (from ~2022) for its great economics for the Asia regions where most flight are under 10 hours (Beijing being the exception).
17 Sep 2015
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aussiflyer, you are confusing 'pitch' and 'width.'
27 Jan 2016
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Correct - i meant width not pitch. Either way, the width seems to be much the same as per seat guru when comparing the 8 abreast vs the 9 abreast on 787. The isles are definitely narrower which isn't great on the 777 when it is 10 abreast vs 9 abreast.
29 Sep 2014
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Having flown a 9 abreast 787 on a flight of about 10 hours, I don't understand the handwringing about SQ using them on flights of 8 hours or less.
Singapore Airlines - The PPS Club
16 Jun 2017
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I guess its too much to ask for SIA to fly the 787 out of ADL
QF
02 Oct 2012
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Luckily for those in economy the SQ inflight service is consistently amazing across all classes and not just up front like most of their compeditosv
Air New Zealand - Airpoints
21 Jan 2016
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All B787 operators except for ANA has gone for the 9 abreast option including Qantas. ANA went for 8 abreast. The same applied for the B777's when they where first introduced with the 9 abreast but now B777 operators are opting for 10 abreast. Its to do with making $$$. It is nothing to do with the aircraft. Boeing had hoped that B787 operators would have chosen 8 abreast seating option.
17 Sep 2015
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plad, what are the yields like into and out of ADL? It must have a lot of VFR traffic (visiting friends and relatives), and one might think a declining number of businessmen (in part due to the long overdue shutdown of the heavily government subsidised car industry) and not many conferences or exhibitions, or major sporting events either.
Qantas - Qantas Frequent Flyer
17 Jul 2015
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17 Sep 2015
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twkgill, the BITRE statistics measure patronage, not 'yield', the latter being the amount paid per available seat kilometre (a measure which includes occupied and vacant seats.)
17 Sep 2015
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Great, David. An airline's need to promote itself given competition is understandable, and some bookings (perhaps more so for leisure than business travel) are made months ahead so they're trying to influence potential passengers, and yes transport-related websites are also competing and need stories, but overall I prefer substance to spin.
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