Qantas revamps Airbus A330s with an extra business class loo

I genuinely don't understand the club mentality. Surely any innovation from one airline benefits everyone as other airlines try to keep up. Unless QF are paying you I don't get the competitive streak in your post.

His point is fair. Good airlines responds to constructive criticism.

Yes, they have responded to criticism but it is hardly progress. The lack of loos was an obvious issue from the start; there was also criticism that the leather seating was less comfortable than the fabric on the A333s.

To all the critics, the point I am getting across is that QF has been a well-run, and well-managed airline, and it shows through examples like this. The same can not be said for VA.

That is why they are not being fitted now. They need a different provider.

It can't come soon enough. My recent trip to CGK was in one of the 330 with a singular toilet in J, for both flights. Not something I am keen to experience again but sadly I will head back to CGK again soon before any of this upgrading happens.

Couldn't agree more PER-SIN is a joke in a B737. Especially now extra legroom seats are $90 each way and even then it's barely bearable.

You can fly direct non-stop PER-LHR. No need to stop in SIN on the way.

I doubt QF would want to cannibalise demand for J on the direct flight by making J too good on the PER-SIN flight.

What's it got to do with London? A lot of people fly to Singapore without going on to Europe, and at the moment Singapore Airlines are eating Qantas' lunch with four wide-body flights a day. All Qantas can offer is a 737.

Pretty difficult to justify anything larger than B737’s considering QF is O&D focused whilst SQ offer extensive onwards connections.

Why do you assume everyone wants to go to LHR? Most of us work in Asia and Changi is a marvellous hub. Absolutely refuse to go on a ridiculous QF 737, when Singapore Airlines has three flights a day at least between Per and Sin in 777's.

I think 2x 737 per day is a better level of service then 1x 330

Maybe if the entitled pax learnt to use a toilet properly and not leave toilet paper everywhere and not clean up after themselves like a considerate human being, then it would be easier to look after the toilets

A bit of balance here is necessary, sir.

I dont believe the passengers on SQ or CX are cut from a superior cloth because in spite of Joe Sixpack's best efforts at being tardy, those planes have sparking lavs beginning to end. Me thinks its the paid QF staff not the paying public who might be the weak link in the chain here.

Corporate social responsibility is not a non core issue. Some organisations went so far as to begin sole contracts with the QF Group due to their CSR policies.

Um so that's why virgin has increased to 47% of corporate market. Virgin has by far a better business product than qantas these days. If qantas hasn't peaked they are very close.

If Virgin is holding nearly half of the corporate market, their profit should be significantly higher than it is.

Not suggesting that decision is made on product. But doubt a decision would be made because of Qantas great corporate social responsibility! The $2B loss, staff lockout and reduction in decent jobs (transitioning to fewer casual crap jobs) as a result of the Qantas "transformation" are lost on some due to the clever but unsustainable marketing. And as a P1 / P flyer over the last 10 years the Qantas customer experience has not kept up. Every time I hop on a Virgin flight I am impressed with their product development since the previous experience - the VA brand doesn't have the benefit of nearly 100 years of development.

No sorry, I don't understand your point. Virgin does what virgin does and Qantas does what Qantas does... If you like virgins product, fly virgin.

Except the 777's tend to be a lot noisier...

Never noticed the noise. Just the crappy seats, and awful seat pitch.

You prefer to fly Emirates 777 with angle business seat in 2-3-2 configuration?

The real issue with the toilets on the longer flights was when people changed into and out of their pyjamas. For the last hours or so of a flight from SIN, it was impossible to access the toilet and I found it easier to head back into Y class.

Traveller, they will be replaced when their life is up (retiring before fully depreciated has a cost) probably in the early 2020s and they may have the new Boeing mid size plane in their sights for it QF say the current offerings are too heavy for the short flights (<6hr). The 787-10 may replace the A333s for the 6-10hr flights.

The oldest QF A330-2 had first flight in 2002. The majority of them started flying between 2007 and 2011 - these are not old airframes.

Q,R,S spent a couple of years at JQ, however these 6 332's are amongst the youngest in the fleet along with the other 3 in line for this second refurb (O, P and V).

Compared to the 767's in their final years, these are hardly clunkers yet.